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From: oliver <oliver@first.in-berlin.de>
To: Kristopher Micinski <krismicinski@gmail.com>
Cc: Arnaud Spiwack <Arnaud.Spiwack@lix.polytechnique.fr>,
	OCaML Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 00:44:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130525224428.GB1958@siouxsie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF1Sy-HvupARdEjas0n6W4QK_LSQfaM_pMfpCWvM0x1GL8wPrg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:53:03PM -0400, Kristopher Micinski wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:30 PM, oliver <oliver@first.in-berlin.de> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:01:39AM +0200, Arnaud Spiwack wrote:
> >> Why were you astounded? This is a perfectly legitimate/correct use of the
> >> word "variable".
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > Do you think so?
> >
> > I have thought about making the sentence better, but did not found
> > a better sentence in short time.
> >
> > But name-value-binding is the term that is used in functional languages.
> > I wonder why the term "variable" pops up there.
> > And even I understood the sentence, I'm not sure if this might create confusion
> > to some readers, because the term "variable" is normally not used for functional languages.
> >
> > People new to FP will be said, there are no "variables", and then they maybe
> > will be irritated, if they find that term in a reference-manual.
> >
> > Do you see what I mean?
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> >    Oliver
> 
> I agree with everyone else, this is a completely legitimate use of the
> word "variable."
> 
> As a native english speaker who learned OCaml at a younger age, I
> don't think the manual should be changed because a beginner might
> confuse the term "variable" with the name of the thing in C.
> 
> By the way, when you say:
> 
> > People new to FP will be said, there are no "variables", and then they maybe
> > will be irritated, if they find that term in a reference-manual.
> 
> The person saying this will be incorrect for a number of reasons:
>  1. OCaml *does* have mutable values,
>  2. The type of FP you emphasize would be more correctly (to
> disambiguate from OCaml) as purely functional programming
[...]

Yes, I somehow had a Haskell'ish thinking when looking at the ref-man.
But also the examples used there were immutable datastructures.


Maybe I need to explore that issue again in more depth (some of the examples in this thread).

Ciao,
   Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-25 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-23 23:53 oliver
2013-05-24  9:01 ` Arnaud Spiwack
2013-05-24 23:30   ` oliver
2013-05-24 23:53     ` Siraaj Khandkar
2013-05-25  0:40       ` oliver
2013-05-25  5:14         ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-05-25 11:04           ` oliver
2013-05-25 11:49             ` Gabriel Scherer
2013-05-25 12:04               ` oliver
2013-05-25 12:30                 ` David Allsopp
2013-05-25 22:42                   ` oliver
2013-05-25 23:24                     ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2013-05-25 22:57               ` oliver
2013-05-25 16:53     ` Kristopher Micinski
2013-05-25 22:44       ` oliver [this message]
2013-05-26 15:00 ` oliver
2013-05-26 18:38   ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-26 21:49     ` Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Oliver Bandel
2013-05-27  7:40       ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27  8:37         ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-05-27 20:21           ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27 20:36             ` Török Edwin
2013-05-27 21:10               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28  1:15                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28 18:32                   ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 18:39                     ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-28 18:50                     ` Anil Madhavapeddy
2013-05-28 19:24                       ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 22:00                     ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-28 22:17                       ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 22:43                         ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-29 20:48                           ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29 21:11                             ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-29 22:02                               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29 22:10                                 ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30  0:51                                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  0:45                               ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  0:57                                 ` Chet Murthy
2013-05-30  1:09                                   ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  4:52                                   ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30  5:04                                     ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  5:05                                     ` Chet Murthy
2013-05-30  5:11                                       ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  6:02                                       ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30  6:36                                         ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30  6:47                                           ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-30 22:41                                         ` Chet Murthy
2013-05-31  5:27                                           ` Malcolm Matalka
2013-05-31 13:32                                         ` Mike Lin
2013-06-03  1:15                                           ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-30 13:49                                     ` oliver
     [not found]                                   ` <20130530.091844.2217058886454447597.Christophe.Troestler@umons.ac.be>
2013-05-30  7:23                                     ` [Caml-list] Re: Problems to get larger user base Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-05-30  7:51                                   ` OPAM binary packages (was Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables)) Thomas Gazagnaire
2013-05-27  8:53         ` Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Erik de Castro Lopo
2013-05-27 12:38           ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27 12:56             ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-27 20:35               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-27 20:57                 ` Paolo Donadeo
2013-05-28  1:17             ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28  2:44               ` oliver
2013-05-28  3:40                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28  4:05                   ` Norman Hardy
2013-05-28 12:51                     ` oliver
2013-05-28  4:08                   ` Norman Hardy
2013-05-28 12:36                   ` oliver
2013-05-29  6:12                     ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2013-05-29  7:31                       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2013-05-29  2:39                   ` Jeff Meister
2013-05-29  2:51                     ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-29  2:57                       ` Jeff Meister
2013-05-29  7:50                         ` Török Edwin
2013-05-29  3:06                     ` oliver
2013-05-28 18:51               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-28 19:06                 ` Anthony Tavener
2013-05-28 19:47                   ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29  2:25                 ` Francois Berenger
2013-05-28  4:20             ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2013-05-28 18:59               ` Mr. Herr
2013-05-29  3:08                 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2013-05-26 11:35 [Caml-list] OCaml's variables tools

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