From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4EE1820A1 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:31:42 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of gour@atmarama.net) identity=pra; client-ip=46.4.132.165; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gour@atmarama.net"; x-sender="gour@atmarama.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of gour@atmarama.net designates 46.4.132.165 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=46.4.132.165; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gour@atmarama.net"; x-sender="gour@atmarama.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mail.wservices.ch) identity=helo; client-ip=46.4.132.165; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="gour@atmarama.net"; x-sender="postmaster@mail.wservices.ch"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIBANfDMFIuBISlnGdsb2JhbABbgz/AVIEcFg4BAQEBAQYWCTyCJQEBBAFVGQULCwshExIPSBkUh2gKv32PcYQdA48teIN4g1uVFw X-IPAS-Result: AsIBANfDMFIuBISlnGdsb2JhbABbgz/AVIEcFg4BAQEBAQYWCTyCJQEBBAFVGQULCwshExIPSBkUh2gKv32PcYQdA48teIN4g1uVFw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,885,1371074400"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="26529919" Received: from mail.wservices.ch ([46.4.132.165]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 11 Sep 2013 21:31:42 +0200 Received: from atmarama.noip.me (93-142-218-131.adsl.net.t-com.hr [93.142.218.131]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.wservices.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AC8216410FC for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:31:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:31:06 +0200 From: Gour To: caml-list@inria.fr Message-ID: <20130911213106.7fa73539@atmarama.noip.me> In-Reply-To: <20130911181737.GA3764@notk.org> References: <20130910230928.2d51cd39@atmarama.noip.me> <20130911052437.GA9514@notk.org> <20130911101457.3f756b68@atmarama.noip.me> <20130911181737.GA3764@notk.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.1 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/YrEFodvdlzp+.tiIivgUwU7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Validation-by: gour@atmarama.net Subject: [Caml-list] Re: OCaml vs Ada and/or GUI options --Sig_/YrEFodvdlzp+.tiIivgUwU7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:17:37 +0200 Adrien Nader wrote: > I hadn't, thanks for the link. I skipped the video and went a bit > quickly through the lwn article (hopefully, lwn articles are > well-written and you only need to read a few words of a paragraph to > kwow whether you want to skip it or not). Let's see... > It's fairly reassuring that they plan to make something stable after > that. I hope for everyone that this holds. By the time they reach the > end of GTK3, they should notice that it's necessary; again, I hope. Maybe they will achieve something stable after GTK3, but nobody knows when it will happen and it seems that GNOME will remain the only customer at that time. > I've had troubles engaging with the GTK+ community. Maybe I should > have tried the mailing-lists instead of only IRC but they are active > on IRC and I'd expect to get at least some reaction but I had lots of > troubles getting any. If I'm trying to work for free, don't make me > work more in order to do the work. Have you seen this one: "Finally, he said, people ask whether GTK+ is focused on creating "small apps" or "large applications," and his answer is "small apps." In other words, GTK+ widgets are designed to make it easy and fast to write small apps for GNOME: apps like Clocks, rather than GIMP or Inkscape." Frankly speaking I'm not interested to use GUI toolkit which is designed for writing "apps like Clocks". No wonder that more & more projects (even DEs like LXDE) are moving towards Qt. Sure, Qt is not perfect, but the state of GTK is sad. > Well, no. > I'm going to mostly repeat what I wrote on IRC (I was at work; I leave > my laptop along with my SSH keys and passwords at home). >=20 > I think you can easily understand that not many people would drop a > project they're working on (even infrequently) and switch to some kind > of "competitor". Here I am trying to just be practical...for only short period of time I was running KDE desktop (~0.9.x) and the rest of the time GTK-ones (now I use only i3). Moreover, my preferred apps were also GTK-based, but when I see direction where it goes, it is wise to be prepare for the future. (/me was die-hard OS2 user, but jumped onto Linux train inn '99) > But apart from that, I dislike Qt. OK -- fair-enough. > I'm much more interested in bindings to the EFLs[1]. It's C and the > direct result is that you already have bindings even though fairly > little time has been spent on them. It's much smaller, it's fast, the > API is fairly small and, at least for the EFLs 1.7, the typing used on > the C side is so inexistant that I'm sure it will be easy to provide > an awesome high-level layer bindings on top of it. I wish you all success. EFL is surely better option than GTK. > Oh and the community is welcoming, with many French people, i.e. that > you can actually threaten with a baseball bat. :)=20 :-) What about Tk which seems to not look bad in 8.6.x ? Sincerely, Gour --=20 In the material world, one who is unaffected by whatever good=20 or evil he may obtain, neither praising it nor despising it,=20 is firmly fixed in perfect knowledge. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 --Sig_/YrEFodvdlzp+.tiIivgUwU7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSMMT6AAoJELhxXPVStcgQfJ8QAKTxrKBNt9MtPa8IIs8jb5E/ TAiLy8WhynVFknDggfCvO9IVQfj//1l5R5kT2YOfwY4ZbTp+nddsTDSCYVUKRD2l iONtiCiKeOKpA7Yw1hbmC2mXdW73yMRbqt8lHOskV1FV9Tom9Jnh4JxOWx6XtW7U 2w01/m8UX7CtoVoTLl6pCox/mSiWhQ4iQU/WezNQU41gXyszT3BqlbvbXztyIXvn 4Y82Umr4Gt/2B6N79eXfHwMgXcKmc8qZJnm8Wc6d5D3NOLqt1v7BIoUXjziMWlDO vUJCu0nFNyhQ7Jrrs+zqR1q7ci2l2FWebzxet4457+Qm32xpmGS6X1DnX4JhxmTI xXpKAS+2b096OkMJoFlw5j+HvBhSdLvlBn4jIfEFx1E3EVJJlW2k70i5swRe0aj9 7h2Njl0/sB5SIoXAsi9YomXfAWdSpJP039Z62j4hCgocrMzLDCNA4fUro14x3EWp iAK+7HMlPb5BRb8tPKP6KAFpjM1a/1Tm5iMkIVMvOUHqPrKx6JjB3t28F0+zu4NR aq/LYk1sqE7lmxYACzjVXkSLpNwJ5DDz2Y9kB+7+EcymhJwnPTFiltO3SuYC7xWg 6gmdmBaKv6wcX8dnXL9cbmkkHGGA8vpbyvlWVdfSvRx92nGKPwIF2P4l+tIoXaOz 7Ej6UYAbqAODqbRVJ0xF =cXcT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/YrEFodvdlzp+.tiIivgUwU7--