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From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Jacques Garrigue <garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>
Cc: Leo P White <lpw25@cam.ac.uk>, OCaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Problem with universal functions in a module
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:02:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150110180223.GB32757@frosties> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E368A617-5F0D-4525-84BC-E380B08A3ED0@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 10:02:30AM +0900, Jacques Garrigue wrote:
> On 2015/01/09 01:25, Leo White wrote:
> > 
> >> I don't see how there can be much added complexity involved. The
> >> higher-rank polymorphism is already allowed in records and objects so
> >> the type system knows how to deal with them. At least when they are
> >> annotated. I wouldn't need ocaml to infere those types.
> > 
> > It is possible that higher-rank types would not add too much complexity
> > to OCaml.
> > 
> > However, there is an important difference between that and the
> > higher-rank polymorphism provided by records and objects: whether to
> > instantiate a type or not must be inferred.
> 
> Actually the formal system for polymorphic methods use a notion of boxing/unboxing
> of first-class polymorphic values. It would be trivial to add it to ocaml's type system.
> There was not much demand originally, but with the introduction of GADTs it becomes
> more interesting.
> 
>    let f (x : ['a. 'a -> 'a]) =
>      let poly =
>        if true then x
>        else (Poly (fun x -> x) : ['a. 'a -> 'a])
>      in
>      let mono =
>        let Poly x = x in
>        if true then x
>        else (fun x -> x + 1)
>      in
>        (poly, mono)
> 
> Note also that first-class modules already provide another flexible approach to first-class
> polymorphism, and while you need to define a package type, equality of package
> types is structural since 4.02.
> 
>    module type T = sig val f : 'a -> 'a end
> 
>    let f (module X : T) =
>      let poly : (module T) =
>        if true then (module X)
>        else (module struct let f x = x end)
>      in
>      let mono =
>        if true then X.f
>        else (fun x -> x + 1)
>      in
>        (poly, mono)
> 
> As you can see here, the only slightly heavy part is the syntax for building modules.
> 
> Jacques Garrigue

Modules don't improve anything here. The problem is still that you
can't hide the implementation of the boxing:

# let make : ('a -> 'a) -> (module T) = function
  | fn -> (module struct let f = fn end);;
Error: Signature mismatch:
       Modules do not match: sig val f : '_a -> '_a end is not included in T
       Values do not match:
         val f : '_a -> '_a
       is not included in
         val f : 'a -> 'a

And you need different modules for different kind of types. Like 'a t,
('a, 'b) t, ... So I think modules are just as unflexible as objects
and records here.

MfG
	Goswin

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-10 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-07 13:50 Goswin von Brederlow
2015-01-07 15:30 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-01-07 17:26 ` Jeremy Yallop
2015-01-08  9:45   ` Ben Millwood
2015-01-08 15:21     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-01-08 16:25       ` Leo White
2015-01-09  1:02         ` Jacques Garrigue
2015-01-10 18:02           ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2015-01-10 17:52         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2015-01-10 18:49           ` Leo White
2015-01-12 14:28             ` Goswin von Brederlow

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