From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3C367FE36 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:48:25 +0200 (CEST) IronPort-PHdr: 9a23:z2SHfxDRe9/QttZUqBUuUyQJP3N1i/DPJgcQr6AfoPdwSP79psbcNUDSrc9gkEXOFd2CrakV06yN7+u6CCQp2tWoiDg6aptCVhsI2409vjcLJ4q7M3D9N+PgdCcgHc5PBxdP9nC/NlVJSo6lPwWB6kO74TNaIBjjLw09fr2zQd+KyZ/rnLrjs7ToICxwzAKnZr1zKBjk5S7wjeIxxbVYF6Aq1xHSqWFJcekFjUlhJFaUggqurpzopM0r221qtvkg789NV7nhN+R9FOQATWduD2dgzcvnrxTKVkO14WAHWGgMnVIcGQ/e9xv3RJjZtzP78/Fiw2+dJ8KgHp4uXjH31J8jHATwoCAdPT8l+WXZjdw2h6Ve9kHy7ydjypLZNdnGfMF1ebnQKJZDHTJM Authentication-Results: mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; spf=None smtp.pra=sp@orbitalfox.com; spf=None smtp.mailfrom=sp@orbitalfox.com; spf=None smtp.helo=postmaster@portal.orbitalfox.com Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of sp@orbitalfox.com) identity=pra; client-ip=95.172.232.202; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="sp@orbitalfox.com"; x-sender="sp@orbitalfox.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of sp@orbitalfox.com) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=95.172.232.202; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="sp@orbitalfox.com"; x-sender="sp@orbitalfox.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@portal.orbitalfox.com) identity=helo; client-ip=95.172.232.202; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="sp@orbitalfox.com"; x-sender="postmaster@portal.orbitalfox.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CzBAC4J4JX/8rorF9dhCexZ4gYgXqGGAIMgU0SAQEBAQEBAQFkJ4IyBAESAYITAQUjDwEFNgsQCxgCAgUMDgcCAg8FSScKiBYBr1aOWgEBAQcBAQEBASKBAYlzhBMRAVskgh4rgi8BBJkFE45IjzaQDyUEK4I8gTY7iHeBNQEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A0CzBAC4J4JX/8rorF9dhCexZ4gYgXqGGAIMgU0SAQEBAQEBAQFkJ4IyBAESAYITAQUjDwEFNgsQCxgCAgUMDgcCAg8FSScKiBYBr1aOWgEBAQcBAQEBASKBAYlzhBMRAVskgh4rgi8BBJkFE45IjzaQDyUEK4I8gTY7iHeBNQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,340,1464645600"; d="scan'208";a="226221208" Received: from w-202.cust-20351.ip.static.uno.uk.net (HELO portal.orbitalfox.com) ([95.172.232.202]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2016 12:47:59 +0200 Received: from darkstar (darkstar [192.168.88.3]) by portal.orbitalfox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8BF2EAA0066; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 10:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:47:56 +0100 From: SP To: Andreas Rossberg Cc: "caml-list@inria.fr" Message-ID: <20160710104756.GD7664@darkstar> References: <9445A645-1A01-4B74-8DB4-03C911DE3A06@mpi-sws.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9445A645-1A01-4B74-8DB4-03C911DE3A06@mpi-sws.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Discourse instance for the OCaml community? (was: how to encourage adoption of OCaml?) On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 09:21:48AM +0200, Andreas Rossberg wrote: >To paraphrase Dijkstra, IMHO email and mailing lists are an improvement over more “modern” forums in almost every way, once you get past the “flashiness” thing: >- participation without having to constantly log into yet another account (with potential tracking), >- all communication through the same tool/UI (that actually works), easy cross-communication and cross-quoting, archiving in one place, etc > [..] >- no annoying gamification, >- open, standardised and guaranteed to still be around in 5 or 10 years from now. >Also, IME, email generally encourages a slower, more considerate and more comprehensive discussion style. Exactly. Earlier in the discussion I expressed a similar opinion (didn't expand as much) but it was ignored and they are plodding on. I hope your message won't be ignored either. >Discourse has an email gateway, but last time I looked, it wasn’t deemed very usable. Mailman 3 adds a web interface for those who prefer it. I think the OCaml lists at Inria don't use Mailman though. >It would be sad to fragment the (not so huge) OCaml community just to >hop onto the latest train in forum fashion, be it Discourse or the next >thing. I’m sure we would lose some people on the way (happened with >Rust). I’m less sure about the people we gonna win over that way. I concur. Again, I hope this time around this case won't be ignored. -- SP