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DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Change policy on beginners list? Webinterface necessary? I prefer to use mail for a *mail*inglist ;-) Wouldn't be a university a good place to host such a mailing list? Or what about inria? (But the archive is ugly for caml-list - mailman-based mailinglists are much better at this point.) I also could set up a mailinglist on in-berlin.de. (Mailman-based.) But I think a university would be a much better place for such a mailing-list. Ciao, Oliver Zitat von Marshall (Thu, 11 May 2017 11:09:41 -0500) > I’m an OCaml beginner, so you would think that I would find the > OCaml beginners’ list helpful. However, every interaction I have > with Yahoo groups just pushes me away. There are obnoxious ads in > the web interface, which is not very intuitive anyway. I could use > the beginners list/group via email, but that would require using my > Yahoo email address, which I don’t have set up on any of my mail > clients. When I go into the Yahoo web mail interface, I mainly see > a list of junk mail that I don’t care about, so I don’t want to use > the Yahoo address. More than once, I have thought, “I should use > the OCaml beginners’ list.” When I start to go down that path, I > stop. Yahoo groups are too distasteful. I’m not sure how many > other people feel this way, but surely I’m not alone. That means > that for some new OCaml users, the public face of OCaml support > pushes us away. So sending new users to the Yahoo group seems > unhelpful to the growth of OCaml. > > I personally find Google groups easier to use. They’re not perfect, > but the web interface doesn’t include ads. Might it be a good thing > to move the beginners’ list to Google groups or some other system? > Obviously, this change should not be done suddenly. There would > have to be period—possibly indefinite—during which both lists were > available. > > (At present, when I want help on OCaml questions, I go to > StackOverflow, where people have been very helpful. This is a good > solution for me, and it’s easy to browse the latest OCaml questions. > However, the way that the ocaml.org community page is set up > encourages beginners to use the Yahoo group. There is a > StackOverflow icon down at the bottom of the page, but you have to > investigate that on your own. In any event, I do like the idea of > using an online group or mailing list focused on beginners > questions, so I personally would welcome a beginners Google group. > I don’t expect to use the Yahoo group.) > > > Marshall Abrams > > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs