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From: Oleg <oleg@okmij.org>
To: philippe.veber@gmail.com
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr, rich@annexia.org, nick.palladinos@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] What if exn was not an open type?
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 16:16:09 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171101071609.GA1448@Magus.localnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOOOohSuM8VODNER+Z6QmTzbCkjRX3SHZxtfnVZta_Q2i62JSw@mail.gmail.com>



> I thought one big selling argument of monads was also that the type of
> the functions shows which effect it performs. As I understand it, it
> is not the case for effects, at least not in existing implementations
> like multicore ocaml. ... Also, would you know a reference that shows
> that effects compose indeed a lot more easily than monads?

How expressive are the types of effectful computations pretty much
depends on a particular type system in use. Let me cite from the message
that I received from Nick Palladinos (CCed) the other week, who implemented
extensible effects in F#, a rather close relative of OCaml. You can
write the code as below

let example () =
    eff {
        do! put 1
        let! x = get ()
        let! y = ask ()
        return x + y
    }

(Here, `eff' is a tag of so-called computational expressions of F#, a
very handy feature).

The *inferred* type is as follows
  val example : unit -> Eff<'U,int> when 'U :> Reader<int> and 'U :> State<int>

clearly stating that example is an effectful expression that uses at
least Reader and State effects. The example also illustrates
composability, your second question: put/get and ask are operations of two
distinct effects (State and Reader, resp). You can combine them freely
within the same program.

(I hope Nick will write a paper explaining his implementation so that
we can all learn from it.)

To give more references (in addition to Leo's work), I should point to Koka
        https://koka-lang.github.io/koka/doc/kokaspec.html

which is an OCaml-like language based on effects and
effect-typing. The language is mature enough to write a web server in
it (as Daan Leijen described in his talk at the ML Family workshop
this year).

        Other references are the recent Effekt library in Scala
        http://b-studios.de/scala-effekt/
        and extensible-effect library
        http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/extensible/
which, although being first proposed for Haskell has also been ported
to Scala (and now F#). Purescript's extensible effects are also
similar.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-01  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-20  9:56 Malcolm Matalka
2017-10-20 10:55 ` David Allsopp
2017-10-20 11:21   ` Ivan Gotovchits
2017-10-20 11:38     ` Simon Cruanes
2017-10-20 16:54       ` Malcolm Matalka
2017-10-20 19:47         ` Simon Cruanes
2017-10-21 21:15           ` Malcolm Matalka
2017-10-24 13:30       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-10-24 19:02         ` Petter A. Urkedal
2017-11-04 18:44           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-11-04 18:48             ` SP
2017-11-04 18:53               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-11-04 19:03                 ` SP
2017-11-04 19:01             ` Max Mouratov
2017-11-04 19:16             ` octachron
2017-11-05 17:41               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-11-05 18:39                 ` Yaron Minsky
2017-11-05 20:49                   ` Gabriel Scherer
2017-11-05 21:48                     ` Yaron Minsky
2017-11-05 21:53                     ` Petter A. Urkedal
2017-11-05 18:02             ` Petter A. Urkedal
2017-11-05 18:24               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-11-05 18:55                 ` Petter A. Urkedal
     [not found]         ` <CALa9pHQ-nhWf4T0U5gDiKTduPiEeXSZPQ=DY6N1YNbCXqRohPQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-10-25  8:35           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-10-25  9:12             ` Philippe Veber
2017-10-25 14:52               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2017-10-25 16:37                 ` Ivan Gotovchits
2017-10-25 17:47                   ` SP
2017-10-26  8:06                 ` Malcolm Matalka
2017-10-26  8:11                   ` Xavier Leroy
2017-10-25 13:36             ` Ivan Gotovchits
2017-10-26  7:31             ` Petter A. Urkedal
2017-10-27 13:58             ` Oleg
2017-10-27 14:24               ` Philippe Veber
2017-10-27 14:49                 ` Leo White
2017-11-01  7:16                 ` Oleg [this message]
2017-11-04 17:52                   ` Philippe Veber
2017-10-20 17:07   ` Malcolm Matalka
2017-10-21 21:28 ` Nathan Moreau
2017-10-22 12:39   ` Malcolm Matalka
2017-10-22 13:08     ` Nathan Moreau
2017-10-24 11:11     ` SP
2017-10-24 11:16       ` Gabriel Scherer
2017-10-25 11:30         ` Malcolm Matalka

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