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caml-list@inria.fr References: <23103341-7872-bc5b-d519-ecadce690d20@orbitalfox.eu> <20220116143149.mucve4i2dm2gvo3d@posteo.de> <714c3a8d-25c8-c91e-ae01-46bf00920ffd@baturin.org> <20220117143005.qso775afaro24bi4@posteo.de> <467aab49-e503-57e0-0799-a40a9c0b878d@baturin.org> <20220117173608.qpufro64pbpfny5z@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ask questions on the mailing lists too Reply-To: Sam Kuper X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Sequence: 18659 Errors-To: caml-list-owner@inria.fr Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: caml-list-request@inria.fr X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 10:06:51PM +0100, Gabriel Scherer wrote: > With my OCaml Foundation hat on, let me give credit where credit is > due: the Foundation wasn't actually involved in creating or > maintaining the Discourse forum. It was an initiative of Anil > Madhavapeddy, Fair enough. > and the list of administrators and moderators is publicly available: > https://discuss.ocaml.org/about Alas, only in an accessibility-limited way - i.e. not to everybody. > The fact that Discourse offers hosting for the forum reduces the > administration work quite a bit. We may not have this forum at all if > we had decided that self-hosting was a requirement. Indeed. OTOH, the advantage of not having the forum would be that more discussions would have happened on the mailing list, instead of being fragmented into a different, accessibility-limited silo. > I don't personally have a strong opinion on whether the usage of > forums is a good or bad thing, See below for a reason to have such an opinion, at least re: forums with accessibility issues such as those powered by Discourse. > but I can only remark that while some people are more comfortable with > the mailing-list (or forced to use them for accessibility reason, > which is not the same thing at all), some other people are not > comfortable with mailing-lists anymore. You seem to acknowledge that: - mailing lists are accessible (score: ~1 point for accessibility), and are also comfortable for some though not all users (score: ~0.5 points for comfort); whereas - Discourse is not accessible for all users (score: ~0.5 points for accessibility), and is comfortable for some though not all users (score: ~0.5 points for comfort). On this analysis, then, mailing lists score higher overall, especially if accessibility is given extra weighting (as, IMO, it should be). As mentioned earlier, the existence of a forum alongside a mailing list tends to divert some traffic from the mailing list (where it is accessible) to the forum (where it may not be - depending on the forum software). Taken together, these facts allow the conclusion that the usage of not-universally-accessible forums, alongside or instead of mailing lists, is a bad thing. > [..] If you know people who would be willing to work on improving the > accessibility of Discourse, we should think about funding this work. > Please get in touch! That is very good of you - thank you. If anyone reading this is available for that work, or knows someone who is, then I hope they will take you up on that offer. Best wishes, Sam -- A: When it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: When is top-posting a bad thing? () ASCII ribbon campaign. Please avoid HTML emails & proprietary /\ file formats. (Why? See e.g. https://v.gd/jrmGbS ). Thank you.