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Kuper To: caml-list@inria.fr Message-ID: <20220119175121.zrug7wumxfsxl62x@posteo.de> Mail-Followup-To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <20220116143149.mucve4i2dm2gvo3d@posteo.de> <714c3a8d-25c8-c91e-ae01-46bf00920ffd@baturin.org> <20220117143005.qso775afaro24bi4@posteo.de> <467aab49-e503-57e0-0799-a40a9c0b878d@baturin.org> <20220117173608.qpufro64pbpfny5z@posteo.de> <696b25b0-7567-0b1b-4203-9f53634ca998@orbitalfox.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ask questions on the mailing lists too Reply-To: Sam Kuper X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Sequence: 18667 Errors-To: caml-list-owner@inria.fr Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: caml-list-request@inria.fr X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 05:31:39PM +0100, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > Simon Cruanes (2022/01/18 15:55 +0000): >> By the way Sam, I opened https://discuss.ocaml.org/about in a TUI >> browser and it looked kind of ok. That suggests to me that Discourse relies on browser-sniffing (probably based on the user-agent string) to decide what to serve to the browser. So, users whose browsers (or browser-settings) don't match the Discourse devs' assumptions may be served non-accessible page content. Did you manage to create an account, via a text-mode browser, btw? > Well thei=re is no real equivalence between the ability to view a page > in a text-mode browser and its accessibility. NOt even an implication > in one direction or another. For people who use text-mode browsers for accessibility reasons, it's crucial that websites work in those browsers. (Likewise, for people who use screen-readers, it's crucial that websites work with screen-readers. Mutatis mutandis.) > Similarly, I don't think it's expected, nowadays, that a website is > browsable without JS support for it to conform to WCAG. WCAG 1 explicitly required websites to be usable without scripts. WCAG 2 fudges the issue (due to pressure from Big Tech, IIRC), but very strongly implies it. The UK Government says: Some users turn off features in their browsers deliberately. You should respect their decision and make sure those users can still use your service. https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/technology/using-progressive-enhancement#do-not-assume-users-turn-off-css-or-javascript Sam -- A: When it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: When is top-posting a bad thing? () ASCII ribbon campaign. Please avoid HTML emails & proprietary /\ file formats. (Why? See e.g. https://v.gd/jrmGbS ). Thank you.