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<20220119180942.d3h4mrwpzlwqrbd6@posteo.de> Mail-Followup-To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <714c3a8d-25c8-c91e-ae01-46bf00920ffd@baturin.org> <20220117143005.qso775afaro24bi4@posteo.de> <467aab49-e503-57e0-0799-a40a9c0b878d@baturin.org> <20220117173608.qpufro64pbpfny5z@posteo.de> <696b25b0-7567-0b1b-4203-9f53634ca998@orbitalfox.eu> <20220119175121.zrug7wumxfsxl62x@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20220119175121.zrug7wumxfsxl62x@posteo.de> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ask questions on the mailing lists too Reply-To: Sam Kuper X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Sequence: 18668 Errors-To: caml-list-owner@inria.fr Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: caml-list-request@inria.fr X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 05:51:21PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 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