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From: Ville-Pertti Keinonen <will@exomi.com>
To: Vasili Galchin <vasiliocaml@yahoo.com>
Cc: Matt Gushee <mgushee@havenrock.com>, caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Proposed community structure (was Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:19:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <26991CF8-7A71-11D8-966B-000393863F70@exomi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040320064955.84346.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com>


On Mar 20, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Vasili Galchin wrote:

I'm not sure what you're presenting these names as examples of, but 
IMHO...

> Linus Torvalds

He's done good job maintaining the Linux kernel, but maybe wouldn't be 
that good of a compiler-writer (probably just lack of experience in 
that area), see e.g.:

http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-08/msg00544.html

The single lead developer model is a good development model, though.

> Eric Raymond ...

It's nice to have someone extroverted speak for you when you agree with 
him, but people who feel a need to insult those that don't agree with 
them (see http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ for a non-technical example) 
are probably not the most trustworthy community-builders...

If anything, the OCaml developers seem like one of the most reasonable 
groups of developers I've seen (not that I've actually seen any of them 
in person).  The core works well, and its development methods seem to 
be working.

As for the community/library side...planning on committees or on the 
lack thereof is probably premature.  Successful communities don't seem 
to organize by planning, but by accident.  Once there is sufficient 
weight behind the effort, that's when it should be evident what needs 
to be adjusted; nothing needs to be set in stone from the start.

Personally, I don't think becoming popular is important, or that 
something has failed if it doesn't.  Besides, OCaml actually already 
seems to be gaining quite a bit of attention.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-20 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-09 17:30 [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library Vasili Galchin
2004-03-09 17:55 ` Richard Jones
2004-03-09 18:11   ` Shawn Wagner
2004-03-15 19:44     ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-16  5:32       ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-17 15:52         ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-18  0:19           ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-18  8:56             ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Matt Gushee
2004-03-18 10:31               ` Richard Jones
2004-03-18 11:22                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-03-18 11:18                   ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-03-18 11:55                   ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-03-18 12:42                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-18 14:12                       ` Xavier Leroy
2004-03-18 17:18                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-18 17:56                           ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-18 18:33                             ` Markus Mottl
2004-03-19 10:58                               ` [Caml-list] Structuring the Caml community Christophe TROESTLER
2004-03-19 18:29                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-03-18 23:44                             ` [Caml-list] Structuring the Caml community (Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar) Alain.Frisch
2004-03-19  8:36                               ` Oliver Bandel
2004-03-19 19:03                               ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-19 22:34                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19 22:58                                   ` Matthew O'Connor
2004-03-19 23:15                                   ` Eric Stokes
2004-03-19 23:23                                     ` Karl Zilles
2004-03-20 10:10                                 ` ocaml.org (was: Re: [Caml-list] Structuring the Caml community (Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar)) Richard Jones
     [not found]                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403201143290.2678-100000@lcmpc4.epfl.ch>
2004-03-20 10:47                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-03-18 23:41                         ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-19  0:47                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-03-19  8:54                             ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19 12:29                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-19 12:44                           ` [Caml-list] Proposed community structure (was Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar) Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19 17:30                             ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-20  6:30                               ` Matt Gushee
2004-03-20  6:49                                 ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20 13:19                                   ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen [this message]
2004-03-20 19:03                                     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20 11:23                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-20 16:46                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-20 13:07                           ` [Caml-list] Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar Dmitry Bely
2004-03-20 15:55                             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-20 20:09                               ` brogoff
2004-03-18 12:55                     ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-19  8:54                     ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Sven Luther
2004-03-19  9:12                       ` Sven Luther
2004-03-18 13:12                   ` John Carr
2004-03-18 13:56                     ` Richard Jones
2004-03-18 18:41                       ` Oliver Bandel
2004-03-18 20:10                         ` John Carr
2004-03-18 23:20                           ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19  1:30                             ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-03-19  5:10                               ` skaller
2004-03-19  8:41                               ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19  8:58                               ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19  9:13                                 ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 10:03                                   ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-19 10:17                                     ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 11:49                                       ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19 12:20                                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-03-19 12:31                                         ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 12:34                                         ` Issac Trotts
2004-03-21  9:13                                           ` skaller
2004-03-21 20:05                                             ` Issac Trotts
     [not found]                                               ` <1079927683.3165.73.camel@pelican.wigram>
2004-03-22  6:51                                                 ` Issac Trotts
2004-03-23 19:48                                                   ` skaller
2004-03-23 22:16                                                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-03  6:36                                                     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-03  7:43                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-05  7:50                                                         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-06  4:20                                                           ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-06  7:24                                                             ` skaller
2004-04-06 17:24                                                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-06 17:38                                                                 ` Kip Macy
2004-04-07 23:11                                                                   ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-07 23:08                                                                 ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-07 23:31                                                                   ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:57                                                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 11:15                                                                       ` Keith Wansbrough
2004-04-08 13:48                                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:06                                                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 14:53                                                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:56                                                                         ` [Caml-list] Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-08 20:47                                                                       ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Evan Martin
2004-04-08 21:20                                                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-07 23:03                                                               ` Vasili Galchin
2004-04-08  7:03                                                                 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08  7:15                                                                   ` Stijn De Saeger
2004-04-08  8:25                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-08  9:35                                                                   ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-08 11:05                                                                     ` Florian Hars
2004-04-08 11:31                                                                       ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-08 13:39                                                                         ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-04-08 12:33                                                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-03-19 12:17                                       ` Alex Baretta
2004-03-19 12:37                                         ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 12:44                                         ` Issac Trotts
2004-03-18 23:31                           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-19  1:08                           ` Michael Vanier
2004-03-19  8:51                           ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 13:20                             ` John Carr
2004-03-19 15:12                               ` Sven Luther
2004-03-21 21:11                                 ` John Carr
2004-03-22  6:46                                   ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19  8:48                         ` Sven Luther
2004-03-18 18:57               ` Shawn Wagner
2004-03-18 21:16                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-03-18 22:32                   ` Fernando Alegre
2004-03-19  0:03                     ` [Caml-list] Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar Remi Vanicat
2004-03-19  8:50                 ` [Caml-list] Demande clarification nomenclature ocaml* Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2004-03-19  9:49                   ` [Caml-list] Suggestion (was: Demande clarification nomenclature ocaml*) Wolfgang Müller
2004-03-19 10:19                     ` [Caml-list] Modules and namespaces Richard Jones
2004-03-19 10:42                       ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-03-19 10:45                       ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 13:56                         ` Fernando Alegre
2004-03-19 15:15                           ` Sven Luther
2004-03-19 11:45                   ` [Caml-list] Demande clarification nomenclature ocaml* Benjamin Geer
2004-03-20  6:12                 ` OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) Matt Gushee
2004-03-20 11:29                   ` Benjamin Geer
2004-03-20  6:23               ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20  6:23               ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-09 17:59 ` [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library james woodyatt
2004-03-19 10:19   ` Sven Luther
2004-03-20  6:15     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-20  6:40       ` Sven Luther
2004-03-20  6:45     ` Vasili Galchin
2004-03-09 18:04 ` Stefano Zacchiroli

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