Package popularity on Debian and Ubuntu

Package popularity on Debian and Ubuntu

[Jon Harrop]

I did a little study of the package popularity contest results recently and 
discovered lots of interesting things.

One thing that puzzles me though, is why there are ~13,000 installs of 
ocaml-base-nox (runtime system for ocaml bytecode executables) but only 
~5,500 installs of ocaml-nox (everything needed to develop non-graphical 
ocaml applications).

Presumably there are packages with ~7,500 installs that use only the runtime 
to run but I can't think what it is and would be interested to know because 
these are presumably quite notable pieces of software written in OCaml.

Any ideas?

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?e

Re: [Caml-list] Package popularity on Debian and Ubuntu

[Jean-Christophe Filliâtre]

Jon Harrop a écrit :
> Presumably there are packages with ~7,500 installs that use only the runtime 
> to run but I can't think what it is and would be interested to know because 
> these are presumably quite notable pieces of software written in OCaml.
> 
> Any ideas?

Here are at least three Debian softwares written in ocaml and relying on
package ocaml-base-nox only: hevea, bibtex2html, hlins

But I have no idea how many installs they represent. I guess you're
referring to figures at http://popcon.debian.org/ (which I did not know
at all) but I can't find the figures you're giving.

-- 
Jean-Christophe Filliâtre
http://www.lri.fr/~filliatr/

Re: [Caml-list] Package popularity on Debian and Ubuntu

[Jon Harrop]

On Thursday 29 November 2007 21:44, Jean-Christophe Filliâtre wrote:
> Jon Harrop a écrit :
> > Presumably there are packages with ~7,500 installs that use only the
> > runtime to run but I can't think what it is and would be interested to
> > know because these are presumably quite notable pieces of software
> > written in OCaml.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Here are at least three Debian softwares written in ocaml and relying on
> package ocaml-base-nox only: hevea, bibtex2html, hlins

Yes indeed! And ledit.

I get:

Package     Debian Ubuntu Total
hevea          526  1,483 2,009
ledit          822    800 1,622
bibtex2html    481    441   922
hlins           83     35   118

> But I have no idea how many installs they represent. I guess you're
> referring to figures at http://popcon.debian.org/ (which I did not know
> at all) but I can't find the figures you're giving.

I'm just grepping the by_inst files and looking at the number of installs for 
each package. Also for Ubuntu at:

  http://popcon.ubuntu.com

What's the best way for me to automate this? I'd like to find all packages 
that depend upon ocaml-base-nox and how many installs they have on Debian and 
Ubuntu. Good for OCaml evangelism. :-)

-- 
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?e

Re: Package popularity on Debian and Ubuntu

[Sylvain Le Gall]

On 29-11-2007, Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 29 November 2007 21:44, Jean-Christophe Filliâtre wrote:
>> Jon Harrop a écrit :
>> > Presumably there are packages with ~7,500 installs that use only the
>> > runtime to run but I can't think what it is and would be interested to
>> > know because these are presumably quite notable pieces of software
>> > written in OCaml.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>>
>> Here are at least three Debian softwares written in ocaml and relying on
>> package ocaml-base-nox only: hevea, bibtex2html, hlins
>
> Yes indeed! And ledit.
>
> I get:
>
> Package     Debian Ubuntu Total
> hevea          526  1,483 2,009
> ledit          822    800 1,622
> bibtex2html    481    441   922
> hlins           83     35   118
>
>> But I have no idea how many installs they represent. I guess you're
>> referring to figures at http://popcon.debian.org/ (which I did not know
>> at all) but I can't find the figures you're giving.
>
> I'm just grepping the by_inst files and looking at the number of installs for 
> each package. Also for Ubuntu at:
>
>   http://popcon.ubuntu.com
>
> What's the best way for me to automate this? I'd like to find all packages 
> that depend upon ocaml-base-nox and how many installs they have on Debian and 
> Ubuntu. Good for OCaml evangelism. :-)
>

Well in fact, there is a lot of way to grep this kind of data in
debian...

I just give you one, and let you find the other:
http://www.edos-project.org/ara/search?q=tag%3A%22implemented%2Din%3A%3Aocaml%22++%26+not+tag%3A%22role%3A%3Ashared%2Dlibrary%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22devel%3A%3Alibrary%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22devel%3A%3Alang%3Aocaml%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22role%3A%3Adevel%2Dlib%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22role%3A%3Ashared%2Dlib%22%0D%0A%0D%0A&i=0&m=25&n=true&b=false&s=popularity&x=false&p=false

The url is quiet long, and is only the submission of the following
request into ARA (package search engine, written in OCaml):
tag:"implemented-in::ocaml"  & not tag:"role::shared-library" & not
tag:"devel::library" & not tag:"devel::lang:ocaml" & not
tag:"role::devel-lib" & not tag:"role::shared-lib"

This gives you the list of all package which are OCaml application. The
most popular is: unison, mldonkey, bibtex2html, ledit, hevea,
unison2.9.1, advi, polygen, coq, ara, wyrd, geneweb, hlins, orpie,
spamoracle, approx, mtasc, whitelister...

Unison is the most installed ocaml package.

Regards,
Sylvain Le Gall

Re: [Caml-list] Re: Package popularity on Debian and Ubuntu

[Luca de Alfaro]

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In Ubuntu 7.04, ocaml 3.09 was included, so most of the people I know who
were developing in Ocaml would just get the source tarball of 3.10 and
compile it.
So I would argue that the popularity contest may be missing a large number
of the Ocaml developers.

BTW, congratulations to the developers and maintainers -- installing ocaml
from source is easy on Mac, linux, and cygwin -- no obscure package
dependencies either: great job!

Luca

On 11/29/07, Sylvain Le Gall <sylvain@le-gall.net> wrote:
>
> On 29-11-2007, Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 November 2007 21:44, Jean-Christophe Filliâtre wrote:
> >> Jon Harrop a écrit :
> >> > Presumably there are packages with ~7,500 installs that use only the
> >> > runtime to run but I can't think what it is and would be interested
> to
> >> > know because these are presumably quite notable pieces of software
> >> > written in OCaml.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Here are at least three Debian softwares written in ocaml and relying
> on
> >> package ocaml-base-nox only: hevea, bibtex2html, hlins
> >
> > Yes indeed! And ledit.
> >
> > I get:
> >
> > Package     Debian Ubuntu Total
> > hevea          526  1,483 2,009
> > ledit          822    800 1,622
> > bibtex2html    481    441   922
> > hlins           83     35   118
> >
> >> But I have no idea how many installs they represent. I guess you're
> >> referring to figures at http://popcon.debian.org/ (which I did not know
> >> at all) but I can't find the figures you're giving.
> >
> > I'm just grepping the by_inst files and looking at the number of
> installs for
> > each package. Also for Ubuntu at:
> >
> >   http://popcon.ubuntu.com
> >
> > What's the best way for me to automate this? I'd like to find all
> packages
> > that depend upon ocaml-base-nox and how many installs they have on
> Debian and
> > Ubuntu. Good for OCaml evangelism. :-)
> >
>
> Well in fact, there is a lot of way to grep this kind of data in
> debian...
>
> I just give you one, and let you find the other:
>
> http://www.edos-project.org/ara/search?q=tag%3A%22implemented%2Din%3A%3Aocaml%22++%26+not+tag%3A%22role%3A%3Ashared%2Dlibrary%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22devel%3A%3Alibrary%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22devel%3A%3Alang%3Aocaml%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22role%3A%3Adevel%2Dlib%22+%26+not+tag%3A%22role%3A%3Ashared%2Dlib%22%0D%0A%0D%0A&i=0&m=25&n=true&b=false&s=popularity&x=false&p=false
>
> The url is quiet long, and is only the submission of the following
> request into ARA (package search engine, written in OCaml):
> tag:"implemented-in::ocaml"  & not tag:"role::shared-library" & not
> tag:"devel::library" & not tag:"devel::lang:ocaml" & not
> tag:"role::devel-lib" & not tag:"role::shared-lib"
>
> This gives you the list of all package which are OCaml application. The
> most popular is: unison, mldonkey, bibtex2html, ledit, hevea,
> unison2.9.1, advi, polygen, coq, ara, wyrd, geneweb, hlins, orpie,
> spamoracle, approx, mtasc, whitelister...
>
> Unison is the most installed ocaml package.
>
> Regards,
> Sylvain Le Gall
>
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