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[107.92.121.28]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p21sm6351922iop.0.2016.07.09.06.42.05 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 06:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AD9F1CB8-D415-4D85-93C3-43F849486AC6" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Dean Thompson In-Reply-To: <068bd7e0-da81-e59d-82b9-a3cbec5bda88@ens-lyon.fr> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:42:03 -0400 Cc: Fabrice Le Fessant , SP , Duane Johnson , Gabriel Scherer Message-Id: <379EB130-DC3F-4892-AA08-96325328EE51@gmail.com> References: <20160704144512.GB2458@Razor> <20160708215630.GC1723@tiger> <068bd7e0-da81-e59d-82b9-a3cbec5bda88@ens-lyon.fr> To: =?utf-8?Q?Arma=C3=ABl_Gu=C3=A9neau?= , "caml-list@inria.fr" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] how to encourage adoption of OCaml? --Apple-Mail=_AD9F1CB8-D415-4D85-93C3-43F849486AC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Arma=C3=ABl Gu=C3=A9neau wrote: >=20 > If there has to be something other than IRC and the mailing list, I perso= nnally > quite like the idea of a forum. The *BB things sure have an old-school > look&feel, but discourse [1] looks nice, for example, and I think the rust > people use it for their user forum [2] (and it is free software). > [1]: https://www.discourse.org/ > [2]: https://users.rust-lang.org/ A while back, I went looking for good BB/forum software that might help wit= h large-group collaboration, and Discourse stood out for me. I like their t= heme of "Civilized Discussion=E2=80=9D, which appears to me to go far deepe= r than just marketing =E2=80=94 they really do seem to shape their user exp= erience to facilitate/motivate constructive discussion. The Discourse user = experience felt pleasant and comfortable to me. I like the fact that Discou= rse is broadly customizable through plugins. I like that it is a 20,000-com= mit open-source GitHub project. Bummer that it isn=E2=80=99t in OCaml :-). But there=E2=80=99s at least one con: Discourse is not nearly as well estab= lished or widely known as some other alternatives, so might be less appeali= ng to casual participants. If we got some level of consensus among those interested in this topic that= Discourse were worth a try, I would volunteer to host, set up, and adminis= ter a Discourse instance that was partly a new venue for OCaml beginners to= seek help and partly a venue for coordinating work to foster OCaml adoptio= n. But as we think about whether that consensus exists, we should consider man= y risks. It would be terrible if this merely further fragmented a small com= munity. We would need to carefully understand whether our community leaders= were supportive of this move. More specifically, I think it would be wrong= to conclude we had sufficient consensus unless that consensus included a r= espectable quorum of OCaml community leaders. We would also need to careful= ly think through integration with existing venues, such as whether we could= /should host this on an ocaml.org subdomain. Or perhaps we reach a consensus on some very different approach instead. Dean --Apple-Mail=_AD9F1CB8-D415-4D85-93C3-43F849486AC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 9, 2016, at 9= :03 AM, Arma=C3=ABl Gu=C3=A9neau <armael.gueneau@ens-lyon.fr> wrote:

If t= here has to be something other than IRC and the mailing list, I personnally=
quite like the idea of a forum. The *BB things sure have an ol= d-school
look&feel, but discourse [1] looks nice, for exampl= e, and I think the rust
people use it for their user forum [2] (= and it is free software).
[1]: https://www.discourse.org/=
[2]: https://users.rust-lang.org/=

A while back, I went looking for goo= d BB/forum software that might help with large-group collaboration, and Dis= course stood out for me. I like their theme of "Civilized Discussion=E2=80= =9D, which appears to me to go far deeper than just marketing =E2=80=94 the= y really do seem to shape their user experience to facilitate/motivate cons= tructive discussion. The Discourse user experience felt pleasant and comfor= table to me. I like the fact that Discourse is broadly customizable through= plugins. I like that it is a 20,000-commit open-source GitHub project. Bum= mer that it isn=E2=80=99t in OCaml :-).

But there=E2=80=99s at least one con: Discourse is not nearly as well esta= blished or widely known as some other alternatives, so might be less appeal= ing to casual participants.

If we got s= ome level of consensus among those interested in this topic that Discourse = were worth a try, I would volunteer to host, set up, and administer a Disco= urse instance that was partly a new venue for OCaml beginners to seek help = and partly a venue for coordinating work to foster OCaml adoption.

But as we think about whether that consensus ex= ists, we should consider many risks. It would be terrible if this merely fu= rther fragmented a small community. We would need to carefully understand w= hether our community leaders were supportive of this move. More specificall= y, I think it would be wrong to conclude we had sufficient consensus unless= that consensus included a respectable quorum of OCaml community leaders. W= e would also need to carefully think through integration with existing venu= es, such as whether we could/should host this on an ocaml.org subdomain.

Or perhaps we reach a consensus on some very different approach instead.=

Dean

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