From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA23973; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:38:59 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: (from weis@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA23879 for caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:38:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11652 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:47:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scan2.fhg.de (scan2.fhg.de [153.96.1.37]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f9MFlu919557 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:47:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scan2.fhg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scan2.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9MFltl29443 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:47:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from kso.ilt.fhg.de (eeltc2.llt.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.44.2]) by scan2.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9MFltS29439 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:47:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ilt.fhg.de (ilt.ilt.fhg.de [153.96.180.2]) by kso.ilt.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9MFo0A22622 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:50:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: from eent359 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ilt.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9MFmRQ24442 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:48:27 +0200 (MEST) From: "Rolf Wester" To: caml-list@inria.fr Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:47:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Whither the Caml Consortium? Message-ID: <3BD45BC0.22418.66F4596F@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011022010628.C10163@fichte.ai.univie.ac.at> References: <20011020174749.E24998-100000@shell5.ba.best.com>; from bpr@best.com on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 18:17:36 -0700 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12cDE) Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Markus Mottl wrote: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Rogoff wrote: > > I think altruism and love for OCaml is a lot closer than very specific > > selfish reasons. > > I love OCaml, because it helps me solve my problems much more easily. Does > this make my love selfish? ;) > I think the lack of willingness to support OCaml financially is correlated with the lack of perception of the extent to which OCaml makes software development easier and as a consequence cheaper. Those who use a programming language in their daily work are in many cases not those who decide on money. And in order to convince someone to spend money for the development of a product like OCaml (not mainstream, almost no one knows it, there is not even an English text book, no commercial support) one must have very good arguments. I think what could be very helpful is a detailed list of OCaml's strength (and weeknesses if any) compared to languages like C++, Java and also compared to other ML-implementations, Lisp, Haskell, Clean etc.? This list should also include real world examples (not to complicated) to demonstrate OCaml's benefits. Another point could be that people are more likely to spend money for getting a product or support than for supporting someone else to develop a programming language. So why not taking a fee for commercial use of OCaml or for support (Clean, Python, Lisp)? Rolf Wester ------------------------------------- Rolf Wester rolf.wester@ilt.fraunhofer.de ------------------- Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr