From: Christophe Raffalli <christophe.raffalli@univ-savoie.fr>
To: mgushee@havenrock.com, caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: [Caml-list] Monads was OCaml popularity
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:46:19 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E6F9C9B.2060203@univ-savoie.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3E6DDAFC.19000.44771B6@localhost>
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> My other big problem with Haskell was ... you guessed it: monads! I
> must have read every introduction to monads that's available on line
> (and there are at least half a dozen), but I still don't really
> understand them. Without monads, you can't do any real work in
> Haskell, and monads are universally acknowledged to be a difficult
> concept. Yet every introductory text I have seen on Haskell insists
> that you learn the theory of monads before you can learn how to do
> things like I/O.
>
Maybe if people where calling monads by their real name: quasi-morphism
:-) that would be better !
- A monad M is given by a mapping M from type to type,
a function apply : M (a -> b) -> M a -> M b
and a function unit : a -> M a
such that unit (f a) = apply (unit f) (unit a)
- A real morphism M would be given by a mapping M from type to type,
a function unit : a -> M a
such that unit (f a) = (unit f) (unit a)
But this to be true enforces
M (a -> b) = M a -> Mb otherwise the previous equation makes no sense.
So monads introduces apply to be less restrictive : the equation
M (a -> b) = M a -> M b is replaced by a function
apply : M (a -> b) -> M a -> Mb
But when you see that, it is like morphism in math. There are very few
result true for a morphism/monads, and when you use a specific monad,
you may/have better to forget that this is a monad (do you really need
to know that x |-> exp x is a group morphisme to use it even if this is
an important remark ?)
PS: the bindlib library for data-types with bound variables is a monad
<http://www.lama.univ-savoie.fr/~raffalli/bindlib.html>
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2003-03-06 23:27 [Caml-list] " Graham Guttocks
2003-03-10 20:43 ` Paul Steckler
2003-03-10 23:48 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2003-03-11 0:18 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-17 23:49 ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-11 1:43 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-11 10:23 ` Pierre Weis
2003-03-11 14:27 ` Guillaume Marceau
2003-03-11 16:16 ` David Brown
2003-03-11 16:47 ` [Caml-list] about -rectypes Christophe Raffalli
2003-03-12 2:32 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-12 3:55 ` Cross-platform GUI (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) mgushee
2003-03-12 10:51 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Alex Romadinoff
2003-03-12 18:24 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-11 19:02 ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-12 17:12 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2003-03-12 18:08 ` Alwyn Goodloe
2003-03-12 22:34 ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-12 23:13 ` Martin Weber
2003-03-12 23:35 ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-13 8:02 ` Alessandro Baretta
2003-03-13 10:23 ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-12 23:35 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-12 23:18 ` Daniel Bünzli
2003-03-12 23:47 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 2:15 ` William Lovas
2003-03-13 3:44 ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-13 9:31 ` Richard W.M. Jones
[not found] ` <20030313095232.GC347@first.in-berlin.de>
2003-03-13 20:50 ` William Lovas
2003-03-13 21:17 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13 22:01 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 22:17 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-14 6:33 ` Michal Moskal
2003-03-14 11:50 ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-14 15:38 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-14 10:13 ` MikhailFedotov
2003-03-14 10:30 ` Johann Spies
2003-03-13 8:09 ` Pierre Weis
2003-03-15 1:43 ` Tushar Samant
2003-03-15 8:19 ` Andreas Eder
2003-03-11 16:26 ` Fred Yankowski
2003-03-11 19:47 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!) mgushee
2003-03-12 11:23 ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2003-03-30 5:59 ` Belated thanks (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) Matt Gushee
2003-03-31 15:27 ` [Caml-list] Re: Belated thanks cashin
2003-04-01 8:22 ` Belated thanks (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) Johann Spies
2003-03-12 20:41 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!) Max Kirillov
2003-03-13 2:36 ` Haskell-like syntax (was: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!)) Oleg
2003-03-13 18:33 ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 19:30 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 19:47 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 20:01 ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-03-14 20:34 ` brogoff
2003-03-14 21:17 ` Sebastien Carlier
2003-03-14 21:51 ` brogoff
2003-03-15 2:27 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-15 10:58 ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-15 15:52 ` [Caml-list] globally valid symbols (was: Haskell-like syntax) Max Kirillov
2003-03-15 20:16 ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax David Brown
2003-03-16 5:28 ` Module recursion (Was Re: [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax) brogoff
2003-03-16 11:10 ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-16 18:02 ` brogoff
2003-03-16 18:34 ` Markus Mottl
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303152112560.27230-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-16 5:38 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-16 18:34 ` brogoff
2003-03-17 2:20 ` Jacques Garrigue
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303161020480.11736-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 5:08 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 17:06 ` brogoff
2003-03-17 19:01 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303170836240.29039-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 19:33 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 20:28 ` brogoff
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303171145500.29039-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 21:09 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-19 2:34 ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt speed (was Re: Module recursion) Chris Hecker
2003-03-19 10:03 ` Michal Moskal
2003-03-19 10:38 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2003-03-19 20:36 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 1:46 ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-14 22:50 ` Oleg
2003-03-20 15:01 ` Andreas Rossberg
2003-03-12 20:46 ` Christophe Raffalli [this message]
2003-03-13 0:03 ` [Caml-list] monads for dummies james woodyatt
2003-03-13 4:32 ` Christopher Quinn
2003-03-13 11:53 ` Christian Lindig
2003-03-12 18:59 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Martin Weber
2003-03-12 20:24 ` Xavier Leroy
2003-03-13 8:57 ` [Caml-list] how to interface with integer Bigarrays using camlidl francois bereux
2003-03-13 9:36 ` Xavier Leroy
2003-03-13 0:42 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Graham Guttocks
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