From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id FAA10244; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:57:15 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA10088 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:57:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from chimta04.algx.net (chimta04.algx.net [216.99.233.79]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9J3vED24623 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:57:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from d170.focal2.interaccess.com (d170.focal2.interaccess.com [207.208.137.170]) by chimmx04.algx.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with SMTP id <0H47000ADMVZQP@chimmx04.algx.net> for caml-list@inria.fr; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:57:52 +0000 (GMT) From: olczyk@interaccess.com (Thaddeus L. Olczyk) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: "ocaml_beginners"::[] Is Caml a fraud ( especially on Windows )? In-reply-to: <200210190007.UAA20942@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> To: caml-list@inria.fr Reply-to: olczyk@interaccess.com Message-id: <3db0cd0c.972458093@smtp.interaccess.com> Organization: stickit@nospammers.com MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20021018114455.82690.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> <3db242ea.937096156@smtp.interaccess.com> <200210190007.UAA20942@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:08:15 -0400, Oleg wrote: >On Friday 18 October 2002 03:03 pm, Thaddeus L. Olczyk wrote: >> >Stroustup prefers C++ to any other language for most >> >tasks, Ritchie said that if he was only allowed to >> >keep one language on a desert island, it will be C, >> >etc. >> >> And Pierre Weis says that I shouldn't call people liars, but when >> I see a post like this... >> >> There is a big difference between saying " if I could only use one >> language it would be C", and saying "C is the best language". >> >> Stroustrup has said and continues to say that he refuses to get >> into the debate about what the best language is. Last I looked it >> was the stated on the FAQ on his web page. > >The fact that he "refuses to get into the debate" does not mean he has no >clear language preferences. Common sense suggests that he uses C++ for at >least 51% of his programming. > Well of course. After all he probably knows it better then any other language ;) , and we all tend to lean towards the language we know the best. That's not what the claim was though. The original claim by me was that when I hear people ( especially people close to the progress of the language ) go around saying things like "X is the greatest language of all time" or "once you learn X you will never want to program in anything else" then I start wondering if "the Emperor has no clothes". The reply was that all major actors in a language act as rabid proponents of the language. They use the examples of Ritchie and Stroustrup. I don't know whether or not it's true of Ritchie. But I know that Stroustrup does not follow that example. that language >BTW, good luck with your quest to find your favorite language. It's not about finding a "favorite language". Its about learning a new language each year. Part of that entails spending time working with the language. It also entails avoiding getting bogged down in installing things. > It would be >nice though if you didn't cross-post discussions started on one list to >another, no matter how all-important your replies may seem to you. I already decided not to. If all the posts ( assuming people don't change the topic ) stayed within one thread, it would be OK. What I failed to take into account is that the mailing lists append the name. So things tend to get out of threads. My mistake. Sorry. ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners