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From: Chris Hecker <checker@d6.com>
To: Kai Kaminski <kok@wtal.de>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Integer arithmetic: mod
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:48:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010804112143.02842100@shell16.ba.best.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010804124945.A354@alpha2.tabu.stw-bonn.de>


> Now, I could live with -1 mod 10 = -1, but why is it platform-dependent?

There are two ways to define mod for negative numbers.  They're both mathematically valid (meaning you can write equations with them both).

Most computer languages (and chips) simply say "(a/b)*b + a mod b = a" and leave it at that.  Unfortunately, people (and language and chip designers) assume (-4)/3 = -1 (truncate towards zero) rather than -2 (floor), and that seals the fate of (-4) mod 3 to be -1 instead of 2.

Here's a good discussion:
http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dr.math/problems/anne.4.28.99.html

>The reason is that whenever such a behaviour is platform-dependent, you
>can't use it at all, as long as you want to have your programs portable.
>Beside that the speed penalty (are there other problems with this
>approach?) would probably be not too bad, would it?

I think caml did the right thing (just let the cpu do it) with a bad situation (inconsistencies).  You're free to define your own versions if the built in ones don't work for you, and this doesn't penalize everybody (some people like the "remainder" result rather than the "floor" result).

Chris

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-04 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-04 10:49 Kai Kaminski
2001-08-04 18:48 ` Chris Hecker [this message]
2001-08-05 23:35 ` John Max Skaller
2001-08-10 22:10   ` Kai Kaminski
2001-08-06  9:10 ` Xavier Leroy
2001-08-10 22:29   ` Kai Kaminski
2001-08-13 15:21     ` Xavier Leroy
     [not found] <9khicj$3n3$1@qrnik.zagroda>
2001-08-04 20:25 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2001-08-05  8:05   ` Chris Hecker
2001-08-06  1:06     ` John Gerard Malecki
2001-08-06 13:23 Dave Berry
2001-11-09 10:30 Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
2001-11-19 15:49 ` Xavier Leroy
2001-11-19 16:48   ` Vesa Karvonen
2001-11-19 16:39 Krishnaswami, Neel

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