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From: Chris Hecker <checker@d6.com>
To: Pal-Kristian Engstad <mrengstad@yahoo.com>,
	Travis Bemann <bemann@execpc.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Caml productivity.
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:42:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020726142932.02bedd60@mail.d6.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020724094534.37196.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com>


 > What is the
 > overhead for calling a function that is executing a
 > few assembly instructions?

I don't think inline assembly is a very valuable feature at this 
point.  Function call overhead on modern processors is very small, and 
enabling inline asm messes up a lot of compiler optimizations for 
surrounding code.

It's going to be another generation or two before a higher level language 
like caml is going to be appropriate for console games, and I don't think 
there's any way around that.  I think it's just starting to be okay for PC 
games, but even the next gen consoles are going to be too memory 
constrained and it's always much more cost-effective to super-optimize a 
console game (both memory- and cpu-wise), at least for the next few ship 
cycles.

On the original topic of this thread, I am still withholding judgment on 
caml for game programming until I actually finish my game, but I sincerely 
doubt it will be anywhere near 3x as productive for the kind of imperative 
simulation-y code that makes up a game.  If any game company could actually 
get 3x productivity out of their programmers, they'd retrain everybody in 
an instant.  3x is huge.  I think caml is definitely more fun to program 
with, but if it's at all more productive, it's going to be in the 10-40% 
range at best (and most of that is going to come from the gc).

Chris

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-26 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-15 21:22 Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-07-20 15:16 ` William Chesters
2002-07-22 18:22   ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-07-22 18:41     ` achrist
2002-07-22 19:23       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-07-22 21:13         ` [Caml-list] CamlIDL and function pointers Michael Tucker
2002-07-23  8:39           ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-23 13:11             ` Dmitry Bely
2002-07-24 15:00             ` Michael Tucker
2002-07-25  9:36               ` Xavier Leroy
2002-07-22 21:26     ` Games (Re: [Caml-list] Caml productivity.) Oleg
2002-07-23  2:56       ` Issac Trotts
2002-07-23 11:03         ` eijiro_sumii
2002-07-23 16:17           ` Charles Martin
2002-07-29  3:36           ` Andrei de A. Formiga
2002-07-29  6:32             ` Florian Hars
2002-07-29 10:23             ` eijiro_sumii
     [not found]               ` <001901c237a7$9e685920$890bfea9@mimbi>
2002-07-30  4:52                 ` eijiro_sumii
2002-07-30 18:13                   ` Jonathan Coupe
2002-07-30  6:16                     ` eijiro_sumii
2002-08-01 15:39                     ` John Max Skaller
2002-08-01 15:59                       ` Markus Mottl
2002-08-01 16:28                       ` Jonathan Coupe
     [not found]                         ` <86vg6ta9o6.fsf@laurelin.dementia.org>
2002-08-02 12:50                           ` Jonathan Coupe
2002-08-02 14:51                         ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-25  3:19       ` Chris Hecker
2002-07-28 13:45         ` Jonathan Coupe
2002-07-29  0:57           ` Michael Vanier
2002-07-22 22:00     ` [Caml-list] Caml productivity Alexander V.Voinov
2002-07-20 15:25 ` Oleg
2002-07-22  6:41 ` Tom
2002-07-22 10:46 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-22 17:46   ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-07-24  3:20     ` Travis Bemann
2002-07-24  9:45       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-07-26 21:42         ` Chris Hecker [this message]
2002-07-27  4:41           ` Issac Trotts
2002-07-27  5:49             ` Chris Hecker
2002-07-27 14:49               ` John Max Skaller
2002-07-27  9:06           ` Oleg
2002-07-27 18:18             ` Chris Hecker
2002-07-29  8:13         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-30  4:46           ` Travis Bemann
2002-07-24  8:02     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2002-07-24  8:25       ` Jérôme Marant
2002-07-24 10:00       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2002-07-27  9:06         ` Oleg
2002-07-23  2:08 Arturo Borquez

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