From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id AAA23077; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:48:34 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23159 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:48:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.dcs.qmul.ac.uk (vicar.dcs.qmul.ac.uk [138.37.88.163]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i0SNmUv12200 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:48:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from xenografia.plus.com ([212.159.85.26] helo=dcs.qmul.ac.uk) by mail.dcs.qmul.ac.uk with asmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.30) id 1AlzQ6-0002Gy-8W; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:48:30 +0000 Message-ID: <40184A2F.6040007@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:47:59 +0000 From: Martin Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chet Murthy CC: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml killer References: <20040127063230.GA12482@inv_machine> <200401282326.i0SNQntl004612@bismarck-chet.watson.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200401282326.i0SNQntl004612@bismarck-chet.watson.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-User: martinb X-clamav-result: clean (1AlzQ6-0002Gy-8W) X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 crap:01 profession:99 theorist:01 proposes:01 ocaml:01 jvm:01 arithmetic:01 pointer:03 mean:05 guess:06 definition:06 depends:07 java:07 java:07 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk > Java/the JVM is not a systems-programming language. Period. Oh, and > I'll defend that against all comers. Difference is, though, if you > wanna attack, I'll expect real examples, not the academic crap that > most programming language theorists throw around. i'll have to defend my profession here: which working programming language theorist proposes java as a "systems-programming language"? most of them are busy researching concurrency or pointer arithmetic these days. but i guess it depends what you mean by that "systems-programming language". rather than attempting a definition (it's late here), i'll point to C/C++ or Cyclone as examples. martin ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners