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From: Martin Berger <martinb@dcs.qmul.ac.uk>
To: Alex Baretta <alex@baretta.com>
Cc: ocaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml and concurrency
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:43:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4018FFFC.1080009@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4018FA99.5020008@baretta.com>


> You are right. No tool can save you from deadlocks or races in a 
> concurrent environment. The properties of being free from deadlocks and 
> free from races depend on the characteristics of the distributed 
> algorithm implemented by the program, not by the 
> multithreading/multiprocessing abstraction facilities in the language. 

i agree and disagree.  what you say is true for conventional languages
like java, C, ocaml ... but it is possible to design typing systems
that will make guarantees about absence of races (see for example
cormac flannagan's work http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~cormac/) or about
liveness or guaranteed termination (http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~yoshida/paper-ic.html#TYPES).
this is of course still quite experimental work, not yet tested
enough for inclusion into mainstream languages, but the time will
come ...

> Yet, it is immensely better to to write concurrent software in a purely 
> functional style with a garbage collected language, while taking 
> advantage of a functional message passing library. 

in many situations, yes. in all, no. and there's nothing in Ocaml
that enforces functional programming. it's down to SW-engineering
practices. that may or may not be enough for your needs.

martin

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-29 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-27  6:32 [Caml-list] ocaml killer Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-27  8:56 ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-27  9:43   ` Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-27 18:32     ` Shawn Wagner
2004-01-28  4:38       ` skaller
2004-01-28  5:30         ` james woodyatt
     [not found]   ` <40168498.6070708@tfb.com>
2004-01-27 19:10     ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-28 13:29       ` David Fox
2004-01-28 15:12         ` Eray Ozkural
2004-01-27  9:41 ` Alexander Danilov
2004-01-27  9:57   ` Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-27 16:43     ` Eric Stokes
2004-01-27 18:19       ` David Fox
2004-01-27 18:47       ` Richard Jones
2004-01-27 19:29         ` Eric Stokes
2004-01-28 13:30 ` Eray Ozkural
2004-01-28 23:26 ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-28 23:47   ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29  0:00     ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-29  0:04       ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-29  0:11       ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29  0:34         ` Chet Murthy
2004-01-29  0:47           ` [Caml-list] ocaml killer' Matt Gushee
2004-01-29  8:52           ` [Caml-list] ocaml killer Thomas Fischbacher
2004-01-29 16:20             ` fancy types (was Re: [Caml-list] ocaml killer) William Lovas
2004-01-29 17:13               ` james woodyatt
2004-01-29 17:26                 ` Benedikt Grundmann
2004-01-29 17:17               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-01-29 17:41                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-01-29 19:18                   ` William Lovas
2004-01-30 10:36                     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-01-31  3:39                       ` William Lovas
2004-02-01  2:11                         ` Vasile Rotaru
2004-02-02 11:08                           ` Florian Hars
2004-01-29 18:33                 ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-29 17:53         ` [Caml-list] ocaml killer skaller
2004-01-29  5:20     ` Brian Hurt
2004-01-29  6:36   ` Alexander Epifanov
2004-01-29  8:53   ` [Caml-list] ocaml and concurrency james woodyatt
2004-01-29  9:46     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-01-29 10:37       ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 11:51         ` Michael Hicks
2004-01-29 12:20         ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-29 12:43           ` Martin Berger [this message]
2004-01-29 15:42         ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-01-29 16:11           ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 16:56             ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-01-29 17:19               ` james woodyatt
2004-01-29 17:43               ` Martin Berger
2004-01-29 17:54                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-01-29 18:08                   ` Martin Berger
2004-01-30  0:19                   ` Lauri Alanko
2004-01-29 19:37                 ` skaller
2004-01-30  0:05                   ` Martin Berger
2004-01-30  6:52                     ` Brian Hurt
2004-01-30  8:53                       ` Issac Trotts
2004-01-30 20:45                       ` skaller
2004-01-31  6:29                         ` Brian Hurt
2004-01-30 20:12                     ` skaller
2004-01-29 18:35         ` skaller
2004-01-29  9:56     ` Alex Baretta
2004-01-29 18:26     ` skaller

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