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From: "chris.danx" <chris.danx@ntlworld.com>
To: Nicolas Cannasse <warplayer@free.fr>
Cc: Jason Hickey <jyh@cs.caltech.edu>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:27:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <413A0921.7030607@ntlworld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <001e01c492a6$872c7280$19b0e152@warp>

Nicolas Cannasse wrote:
>>OMake is a build system, similar to GNU make, but with many additional
>>features.  The home site for OMake is http://omake.metaprl.org/
> 
> 
> Interesting !
> However, I can't help thinking that I don't write to learn yet another
> language for writing my Makefiles... Why not using directly OCaml for
> writing Makefiles and exposing all nice OMake features through a library ?
> You would benefit of a good tool for error checks which is the Ocaml
> compiler.

I've started to use ocamlconf!  That is a nice tool for doing 
'configuration' based builds (./configure && make && make install style 
builds).  You specify what you want to do in OCaml using some libs, run 
ocamlconf which calls the base system and end up with a configure file. 
  That's not the same as `just' using a makefile, but does provide a 
good example of a DSL embedded in OCaml for the purpose of building 
software, and it's done entirely with library based code.

This seems to work well for me, although I've only just started. 
Makefiles became problematic for managing the code (finding libraries, 
including paths, etc) and previous detours into things like 
autoconf/automake were less than encouraging.  Compared to 
autoconf/automake ocamlconf is a dream.  My only concern is compiling on 
Windows, but Cygwin is available here so I'm hoping that's not going to 
be a big problem.

One question that springs to mind is why hasn't anyone made a tool that 
does the build process based on the semantics of Ocaml?  Or have they? 
I used to (and sometimes still do) program in Ada using Gnat and most of 
the compilation can be handled by tools like gnatmake which handles all 
the dependancies.  The Ada language has some specific rules on 
compilation and recompilation.  Perhaps this is the difference?

Of course you had to manage some configuration issues, but for the 
majority of tasks it was possible to use the gnatmake program to manage 
vast portions of the build process and it was great!!!  This is the only 
thing I miss when not developing with Ada compilers and isn't unique to 
ocaml compilers.  Ada developers are spoiled in this regard. :)


Regards,
Chris

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-04 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-04 16:26 Jason Hickey
2004-09-04 17:42 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-04 18:27   ` chris.danx [this message]
2004-09-04 19:59     ` Matthieu Dubuget
2004-09-05  5:20       ` skaller
2004-09-05 13:20         ` David Brown
2004-09-05 14:31           ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:02             ` David Brown
2004-09-05 16:14               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-05 15:07           ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 15:53             ` skaller
2004-09-06  0:25               ` chris.danx
2004-09-06  8:17                 ` skaller
2004-09-05 13:38         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 14:50           ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 15:01             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 15:44               ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 16:10                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 17:38                   ` skaller
2004-09-05 17:15                 ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:11               ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:21                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 19:09                   ` skaller
2004-09-05 15:08           ` skaller
2004-09-05 15:38             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 17:04               ` skaller
2004-09-05 18:45                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 20:12                   ` skaller
2004-09-05 21:30                     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 22:41                       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06 12:13                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 16:09             ` David Brown
2004-09-05 18:31               ` skaller
2004-09-06 10:56                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-09-06 15:51                   ` skaller
2004-09-06  7:11           ` Christian Lindig
2004-09-06 12:20             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-06 14:12               ` Christian Lindig
2004-09-06  1:06         ` Richard Jones
2004-09-06  1:50           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06  9:09             ` skaller
2004-09-06  8:59           ` skaller
2004-09-04 23:58     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-05  1:18       ` james woodyatt
2004-09-05  1:26         ` [Caml-list] Perl Conjury (alternative to Unix make) james woodyatt
2004-09-05  2:03         ` [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1 David Brown
2004-09-05  2:37           ` james woodyatt
2004-09-05  6:24             ` Nathaniel Gray
2004-09-05 20:38         ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06  0:12           ` james woodyatt
2004-09-06  0:33             ` [Omake] " Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06  3:54               ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-06  6:39                 ` Jason Hickey
2004-09-06  8:10                   ` james woodyatt
2004-09-06  7:50                 ` [Omake] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2004-09-06 14:52                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-06 17:20                     ` skaller
2004-09-06  9:52                 ` skaller
2004-09-06 15:10                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-07 13:26                 ` David Brown
2004-09-06  1:14             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06  2:35             ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-06  9:38               ` skaller
2004-09-06 11:34                 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-09-06 16:28                   ` skaller
2004-09-06 16:42                     ` Christopher A. Watford
2004-09-06 16:59                       ` Richard Jones
2004-09-07  2:21                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-07  6:17                       ` skaller
2004-09-07  8:24                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-09-07 13:35                     ` David Brown
2004-09-06  7:51             ` Daniel Andor
2004-09-05 20:38   ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-05 22:57     ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-06  0:17       ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 13:31         ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-06 19:28           ` [Caml-list] Godi for OMake [Was: Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1] Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 20:18             ` Olivier Grisel
     [not found]               ` <41537DAE.1050601@cs.caltech.edu>
2004-09-24 13:50                 ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-24 18:37                   ` [Caml-list] OCamlFind support in OMake [Was: Godi for OMake] Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-04 18:01 ` [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1 Yaron Minsky
2004-09-05  1:38   ` Eray Ozkural
2004-09-05  6:12 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-09-05 12:48   ` Yaron Minsky
2004-09-05 20:39     ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 12:24 Jason Smith
2004-09-06 15:54 ` Christopher A. Watford

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