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From: Jason Hickey <jyh@cs.caltech.edu>
To: brogoff <brogoff@speakeasy.net>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml troll on Slashdot
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:32:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4239BF15.3040504@cs.caltech.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0503160931190.30293@shell2.speakeasy.net>

brogoff wrote:
> No doubt the implementors will want me guillotined for bringing this up again,
> but using the (still functional!) set_cdr! tail recursive functions, which do
> *not* reverse the list, are always faster than the non tail recursive
> list functions, even for small lists, at least in my experience. So I suspect
> that your "for instance" is in fact the only reason for the disparity. I'd
> welcome a counterexample.

This optimization is probably reasonable.  Note that assignment can have 
a somewhat unexpected cost when the runtime uses a generational garbage 
collector (as OCaml does).

Speaking generally, the collector would like the invariant "all pointers 
in a generation refer to younger generations", where the "younger" 
relation is reflexive.  This is true for purely functional languages, 
but not true when assignment is added.

In general, the implementation needs to add a check during assignment: 
"if the value being modified belongs to a strictly older generation than 
the value being stored, then mark it."

In the implementation of List.map using set_cdr! it should be possible 
to eliminate the check.  The cons-cell was just allocated, so it should 
belong to the minor heap.

Jason

-- 
Jason Hickey                  http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~jyh
Caltech Computer Science      Tel: 626-395-6568 FAX: 626-792-4257


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-17 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-15  1:29 Karl Zilles
2005-03-15  8:32 ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2005-03-15  8:45   ` Michael Vanier
2005-03-15  8:59     ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-15 20:17       ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-15 20:36         ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-15 21:03           ` padiolea
2005-03-15 21:40             ` William D.Neumann
2005-03-15 22:12               ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-15 23:07                 ` William D.Neumann
2005-03-15 23:39                   ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-15 23:54                     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-03-16  0:03                   ` Christopher Dutchyn
2005-03-16  0:18                   ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16  1:05                     ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-16  2:55                       ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16 11:23                         ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-03-16 23:41                           ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16 13:33                         ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-16 23:59                           ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16  3:01                     ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-16 13:10                       ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-16 13:41                         ` Jacques Garrigue
2005-03-16 14:14                           ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-17  0:27                             ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16 17:43                           ` brogoff
2005-03-16 19:51                             ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-17  3:35                               ` brogoff
2005-03-17  3:48                                 ` Yaron Minsky
2005-03-17 10:16                                   ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-17 10:47                                     ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-17 18:06                                     ` brogoff
2005-03-17 19:15                                       ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-03-18 17:46                                         ` brogoff
2005-03-18 18:44                                           ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-03-17 21:31                                       ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-17  9:45                                 ` Christian Szegedy
2005-03-17 10:31                                 ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-17 11:11                                   ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2005-03-17 11:31                               ` tail-recursion vs. no tail-recursion in list functions sebastian.egner
2005-03-17 21:41                                 ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2005-03-18  0:04                                   ` David Brown
2005-03-18  0:06                                   ` Karl Zilles
2005-03-18  1:13                                 ` Jacques Garrigue
2005-03-17  0:21                             ` [Caml-list] OCaml troll on Slashdot Oliver Bandel
2005-03-17  1:05                             ` Jacques Garrigue
2005-03-17 17:32                             ` Jason Hickey [this message]
2005-03-17 19:06                               ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-03-17  0:14                           ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16  1:38             ` Jacques Garrigue
2005-03-31 11:42         ` Paul Argentoff
2005-03-31 11:41       ` Paul Argentoff
2005-03-15 20:06   ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-15  9:25 ` Richard Jones
2005-03-15 10:08   ` YANG Shouxun
2005-03-15 20:02     ` Yoann Padioleau
2005-03-15 22:33       ` Richard Jones
2005-03-16  1:33       ` YANG Shouxun
2005-03-15 10:34   ` padiolea
2005-03-15 10:52     ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2005-03-15 14:12     ` Eijiro Sumii
2005-03-15 15:25       ` Christophe TROESTLER
2005-03-15 18:05         ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-03-15 18:26           ` Kip Macy
2005-03-16  0:32             ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16 11:26             ` David Fox
2005-03-15 18:55         ` Christopher A. Watford
2005-03-15 19:56           ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-16  0:35             ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-16  0:34           ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-18  6:04 Harrison, John R

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