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From: Robert Morelli <morelli@cs.utah.edu>
To: Kyle Consalus <consalus@gmail.com>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] (Mostly) Functional Design?
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:59:29 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42DB6161.4030507@cs.utah.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9cc3782b05071411004b27b6a4@mail.gmail.com>

I've been lurking on this list for several years.  This seems as good a
time as any to delurk and jump on a soap box.

I think you've put your finger on one of the main reasons functional
languages have failed to attract significant use beyond a few niche
areas.

I contend:
   1.  The FP community tends to emphasize low level issues rather than 
the larger scale issues that concern most programmers.  It is also
inept at practical documentation and advocacy.
   2.  There isn't much of a theory of large scale functional design.
At least,  there is no consensus.
   3.  Point 2. is not the consequence of point 1.;  it's not simply a
matter of communication,  but an instrinsic void in the FP paradigm.
The FP paradigm is intrinsically poorly adapted to the kind of large
scale design concepts that concern most programmers.  Object oriented
programming is a much better match,  not because of a conspiracy of
commercial giants in the software tool business,  but because of
intrinsic technical reasons.  Functional programming is a niche
technology ideally suited to simple domains like language tools and
formal methods.  It does not have much to say about complicated
systems.


Kyle Consalus wrote:
> There are a wealth of resources related to object oriented design techniques
> (which can certainly be applied to OCaml), but I've been pretty much unable
> to find any good resources on large scale design of functional programs.
> I realize that this is the sort of thing that develops over time with
> experience.
> Just the same, there is (most likely) a lot to learn and consider, and a 
> resource would be helpful. My recent uses of OCaml for fairly small projects
> have been effective, but a lot of things were cumbersome in the design
> and I suspect that I may be thinking about it wrong.
> So, could anyone suggest a good resource or perhaps weigh
> in on their thoughts on the topic?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kyle


  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-18  7:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-14 18:00 Kyle Consalus
2005-07-18  7:59 ` Robert Morelli [this message]
2005-07-18  9:22   ` [Caml-list] " Alex Baretta
     [not found]     ` <42DB78D3.7010401@andrej.com>
2005-07-18 10:01       ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-18 18:15     ` Robert Morelli
2005-07-18 18:45       ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-18 18:56       ` padiolea
2005-07-18 19:19         ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-18 19:38       ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-18 21:27       ` skaller
2005-07-18 21:55         ` Alwyn Goodloe
2005-07-18 22:16         ` Paul Snively
2005-07-19  0:45           ` Jonathan Bryant
2005-07-18 21:37       ` skaller
2005-07-18 22:00     ` Kenneth Oksanen
2005-07-18  9:29   ` Mark Meyers
2005-07-18  9:56   ` Large scale and FP (was: Re: [Caml-list] (Mostly) Functional Design?) David MENTRE
2005-07-18 18:11     ` Large scale and FP Robert Morelli
2005-07-18 14:08   ` [Caml-list] (Mostly) Functional Design? james woodyatt
2005-07-18 16:37     ` Alwyn Goodloe
2005-07-18 14:21   ` alphablock
2005-07-18 15:26     ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-18 15:38       ` alphablock
2005-07-18 17:17       ` Doug Kirk
2005-07-18 18:14         ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-19  7:42         ` james woodyatt
2005-07-19  9:35           ` Robert Morelli
2005-07-19 16:53             ` james woodyatt
2005-07-19 17:13               ` Paul Snively
2005-07-19 23:58                 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-20  0:29                   ` Paul Snively
2005-07-18 18:23   ` padiolea
2005-07-18 19:45   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2005-07-18 22:16     ` skaller
2005-07-19  0:48   ` Chris Campbell
2005-07-19 20:14   ` Some Clarifications Robert Morelli
2005-07-20  6:18     ` [Caml-list] " Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2005-07-24  0:04       ` Robert Morelli
2005-07-24  2:30         ` Paul Snively
2005-07-24  7:37           ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-24  8:08           ` Robert Morelli
2005-07-24 12:23             ` David Teller
2005-07-24 18:29             ` skaller
2005-07-24 18:51             ` Paul Snively
2005-07-24 12:42         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2005-07-25  7:23         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2005-07-20  7:34     ` David MENTRE
2005-07-27 15:37       ` Robert Morelli
2005-07-27 20:33         ` skaller
2005-07-27 23:48           ` Paul Snively
2005-07-20 16:28     ` Damien Doligez
2005-07-24 14:51       ` Robert Morelli
2005-07-24 16:11         ` David MENTRE
2005-07-25 12:21         ` Damien Doligez
2005-07-25 15:47           ` Richard Jones
2005-07-22  5:18   ` [Caml-list] (Mostly) Functional Design? Marius Nita

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