From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15881BC0A for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:50:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.16]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3JGobcN018671 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:50:37 +0200 Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.156]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:50:36 +0200 Received: from [10.193.73.159] ([10.193.73.159]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:50:36 +0200 Message-ID: <46279DDB.6020503@orange-ftgroup.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:50:35 +0200 From: Gilles FALCON User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Hurt Cc: Richard Jones , Caml List Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The F#.NET Journal References: <200704172106.38499.jon@ffconsultancy.com><20070418085354.GA9605@furbychan.cocan.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2007 16:50:36.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA5E3B70:01C782A2] X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 46279DDD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 ocaml:01 emacs:01 0100,:01 stack:01 beginner's:01 bug:01 2007,:98 frog:98 horde:98 suck:98 unix:01 beginners:01 wrote:01 wrote:01 Hello, F# comes with a nice IDE, I think another IDE (as eclipse for ie)=20 could help people to come to ocaml. Ocaml tools with Emacs are nice for strong programmer. Just my two cents. Gilles Brian Hurt a =E9crit : > > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Richard Jones wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:06:38PM +0100, Jon Harrop wrote: >>> >>> Flying Frog Consultancy just started the F#.NET Journal, an on-line >>> publication composed of articles, example source code and tutorial=20 >>> videos >>> aimed at beginner programmers learning the F# programming language fr= om >>> Microsoft Research: >> [...] >> >> Does F# run on real operating systems? Does it have a full open >> source stack? > > Overall, I see F# as a good thing for Ocaml. OK, it draws some of=20 > it's support from the Ocaml community (John Harrop here being an=20 > obvious example)- thus dilluting the pool of energy from Ocaml, at=20 > least in the short term. But any F# programmer can pick up Ocaml in=20 > short order, and vice versa (not unlike the C#/Java communities). > > But I think were F# will really draw it's people from is outside the=20 > community. It'll draw from the vast horde of C#/VB/C++ Windows=20 > programmers. Draw people from outside the community to inside the=20 > community. And sooner or later many of them are going to start=20 > looking for an F# that runs on Linux/Unix. > > Even if I'm wrong, even if F# is a net loss for Ocaml, I still can't=20 > help viewing F# as a good thing over all. Anything which helps=20 > programmers write code that doesn't *SUCK* is an advantage to us all-=20 > and every programmer coding in F# is a programmer not coding in C#,=20 > VB, or, God help us, C++. Making code proven free of large classes of = > bugs, and many other bugs rare indeed is a definate good. And=20 > bluntly, most software- free software as well as proprietary, sucks=20 > large rocks through very small pipettes. > > Just my two cents. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: > http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs >