From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from discorde.inria.fr (discorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.38]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595E4BC0A for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:27:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from looneymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (d071c805.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l4NJRQjN026007 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:27:27 +0200 Received: from [192.168.101.113] (unknown [66.84.219.53]) by looneymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E2C125E5E; Wed, 23 May 2007 12:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4654959C.7040701@fischerventure.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:27:24 -0500 From: Robert C Fischer Reply-To: robert.fischer@SmokejumperIT.com Organization: Fischer Venture Managment Corporation User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Jones Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Teaching bottomline, part 3: what should improve. References: <1179871823.6966.78.camel@Blefuscu> <200705230039.29659.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <20070523185428.GA32681@furbychan.cocan.org> In-Reply-To: <20070523185428.GA32681@furbychan.cocan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 4654959E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; threads:01 erlang:01 0100,:01 ocaml:01 threads:01 semaphores:01 async:01 syntax:01 23,:98 wrote:01 wrote:01 caml-list:01 concurrency:02 concurrency:02 functional:02 ...and locks and threads are not a viable long-term solution to the problem of concurrency in general. You're future-proofing enough by teaching them functional languages: Erlang and Cilk are closer to the needed future. ~~ Robert. Richard Jones wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:39:29AM +0100, Jon Harrop wrote: > >> If you want your students to be future proof then you would do well >> to prepare them for massively parallel computing on CPUs with >> hundreds or even thousands of cores. OCaml it completely >> ill-equipped for this. In contrast, F# provides native >> threads/locks/semaphores/threads/threadpools inherited from .NET as >> well as async programming via extra syntax. Concurrency is beautiful >> in F# and it works today. >> > > F# scales to hundreds or thousands of cores? > > If the OP wants to teach his students about massively parallel > computing, he should avoid the Microsoft lock-in and teach them about > it on Linux clusters. > > Rich. > >