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From: Pal-Kristian Engstad <pal_engstad@naughtydog.com>
To: "Quôc Peyrot" <chojin@lrde.epita.fr>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Book about functional design patterns
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:13:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4682E126.1050008@naughtydog.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F00765A8-6A15-415A-9E2E-D693A9558387@lrde.epita.fr>

Quôc Peyrot wrote:
> I think we agree, I'm just saying that C*N*log2(N) is a over-estimated 
> upper bound for large N.
>
> C*(log2(1) + ... + log2(N)) = C * log2(1*2*....*N) = C * log2(N!)
> hence
>
> time <= C*log2(N!) <= C * N * log2(N)
>
> as an example, for N = 100
>
> sum(floor(log2(i)), i = 1..100) = 480
> log2(100!) = 524 (overestimated by 10%)
> 100 * log2(100) = 664 (overestimated by 40%)
>
> for large N, the difference is going to be significant.
Ok, I see what you mean.
> But anyway, the details doesn't matter, it just looks to me that 
> inserting N elements in a functional map, is really significant.
> If my maths are correct, for only 1000 elements, we are going to have 
> an extra 8500 allocations (the difference is so huge I actually can't 
> believe my maths...)
But you are forgetting that you won't have to reallocate every log2(n) 
elements, for every n, there is a chance that the actual number is much 
less than log2(n). log2(n) really is just the worst case, where you have 
to change every red-black tree (say) all the way to the top. This is 
fairly unlikely, thus the number of allocations is in practice going to 
be far less.

I tested OCaml's Map adding a counter for each allocation. Adding 
100,000 random key, value pairs resulted in 151,587 allocations, and 
1,000,000 adds resulted in 1,516,551 allocations. Adding sorted numbers 
gave: 299,964 and 2,999,958 allocations. So it looks like it is near 
linear (with a factor of 1.5 to 3.0) in practice.

PKE.

-- 
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"Uncharted"-team, Naughty Dog, Inc., 1601 Cloverfield Blvd, 6000 North,
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-27 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-27 12:14 The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 13:18 ` [Caml-list] " Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 13:53   ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 14:18     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 15:09     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 15:28     ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-06-27 15:38       ` Robert Fischer
2007-06-27 15:48         ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-06-27 16:01           ` Robert Fischer
2007-06-27 16:01           ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-06-27 18:06           ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 18:31             ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-27 19:56               ` skaller
2007-06-27 20:17               ` Jonathan Bryant
2007-06-27 22:57               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 16:53     ` Hash-consing (was Re: [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments) Daniel Bünzli
2007-06-30  8:19     ` [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments Pierre Etchemaïté
2007-06-27 13:55   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 15:06     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 15:53       ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 11:01         ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 11:32           ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 11:42             ` Joel Reymont
2007-06-28 12:08               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 13:10                 ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-28 13:35                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 12:59             ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 13:05               ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 13:33                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 14:43                   ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 16:01                     ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 17:53                       ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 16:39       ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 19:26         ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-28 11:39           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 14:44             ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 16:03               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-28 17:20                 ` Dirk Thierbach
2007-06-28 22:12                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-29  1:10                     ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-29 10:55                       ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-29  6:12                     ` Dirk Thierbach
2007-06-27 17:16       ` Book about functional design patterns Gabriel Kerneis
2007-06-27 17:48         ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 19:33           ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 19:30         ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 19:48           ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-27 20:04             ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 20:35               ` Brian Hurt
2007-06-27 20:55                 ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 20:58                   ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2007-06-27 21:18                     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 21:18                       ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2007-06-27 21:34                         ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-06-27 22:13                           ` Pal-Kristian Engstad [this message]
2007-06-27 15:18     ` [Caml-list] The Implicit Accumulator: a design pattern using optional arguments Jon Harrop
2007-06-27 16:44       ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-27 18:17         ` Jon Harrop
2007-06-28 11:18           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2007-06-29 13:15     ` Bill Wood

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