From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27FCBC88 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:07:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.cs.mcgill.ca (mail.CS.McGill.CA [132.206.51.234]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1537gTQ019660 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:07:42 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.mcgill.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.mcgill.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5622F90D; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 70.48.80.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user eposse); by mail.cs.mcgill.ca with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4820.70.48.80.225.1107572861.squirrel@mail.cs.mcgill.ca> In-Reply-To: <1107570464.14589.482.camel@pelican.wigram> References: <36663.132.206.3.150.1107545768.squirrel@mail.cs.mcgill.ca> <1107570464.14589.482.camel@pelican.wigram> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:07:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Estimating the size of the ocaml community From: "Ernesto Posse" To: skaller@users.sourceforge.net Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Reply-To: eposse@cs.mcgill.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 4204387E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml:01 wrote:01 o'caml:01 heap:01 o'caml:01 precisely:01 ernesto:03 ernesto:03 seems:03 size:95 illustrate:05 mcgill:05 mcgill:05 stuff:07 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: > On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 06:36, Ernesto Posse wrote: > >> Recently I started a small project, and I wanted to develop it in >> O'Caml, but after a while I gave up, and did it in Java. My first >> concern was choosing an IDE. > > Why do you need that stuff? What's wrong with a plain > old text editor and couple of batch files to build > the code? There is nothing wrong with a plain old editor, but for many projects an IDE can improve development time significantly. > Seems to me you wasted a heap of time trying to build > something (an IDE) that you didn't need in the first place. Of course I wasted time! That is precisely the point: I shouldn't have had to look for such tools. My point is not about my personal project. That was just to illustrate the general point: to attract more programmers, there is a need for more development tools, in particular user-friendly, and dare I say, Windows-based tools. There is a need for such tools, specially if one wants to attract two key players: first-time programmers, and managers of software development projects. Without them, there is not much chance to make the O'Caml community grow significantly. -- Ernesto Posse Modelling, Simulation and Design Lab - School of Computer Science McGill University - Montreal, Quebec, Canada url: http://moncs.cs.mcgill.ca/people/eposse