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From: Christophe Raffalli <craff73@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, OCaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:58:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CF12ABF.7010803@univ-savoie.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv39qp2vn4.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.lang.caml.inria@gnu.org>

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Hello,
> To the extent that this rule is the same for all languages and that most
> languages on the shootout are also garbage collected, I think OCaml's
> problem with this benchmark do point at a weakness of the current
> GC code.
This is untrue ... the bintree example, is just bad in OCaml because the
default
value of the minor heap size is the correct value for reactive programs
where you want fast minor GC slice, because they interrupt the program ...

Maybe the Gc library could provide reasonable default settings for both
cases
accessible via a simple function GC.is_reactive : bool -> unit ... And
the shootout
would allow to call such a function ?

Clearly, all benchmarks which just measure speed and space should use a
larger
minor heap size (except if reactive communication between processes is
important in the
benchmark).

More importantly, there is little hope to discover at runtime that a
program is
a reactive one ... In other words there is no hope for a perfect GC for
all situations.
So it is a good thing that OCaml allows tuning the GC.

Moreover, even when you automatically tune the GC (like changing the
number of generations in some modern GC) you do it based on past
observation of the behavior of your program ... and the behavior of the
program can change just after you changed some GC parameters ... So
begin able to help the GC, in a comprehensive way,
is good ...

Cheers,
Christophe


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-27 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-22 13:21 Thanassis Tsiodras
2010-11-22 13:35 ` [Caml-list] " Gregory Bellier
2010-11-22 13:39   ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2010-11-22 13:42   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2010-11-22 13:43 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-11-22 13:55 ` [Caml-list] " Dario Teixeira
2010-11-23  2:11   ` Isaac Gouy
     [not found]   ` <999386690.746882.1290478813177.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-23  9:12     ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-23 17:56       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:54         ` [Caml-list] " Mark Diekhans
2010-11-23 20:04           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 22:56   ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-23 23:54     ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-24  1:24       ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2010-11-25 11:17         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-22 14:04 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-22 14:22   ` [was: Re: Is OCaml fast?] OCaml Shootout task force Sylvain Le Gall
2010-11-22 14:36   ` [Caml-list] Is OCaml fast? bluestorm
2010-11-22 15:01     ` Török Edwin
2010-11-22 15:54       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-11-22 15:02     ` Gerd Stolpmann
     [not found]     ` <582306206.731582.1290438133628.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-22 16:46       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-22 18:33         ` Török Edwin
2010-11-27 21:11           ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2010-11-28 13:26             ` OCaml GC [was Is OCaml fast?] Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-28 14:29               ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-28 18:57                 ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-28 19:40                   ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-28 19:59                     ` Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-28 23:34                       ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-29 12:11                         ` Benedikt Meurer
2010-11-29 22:27                 ` Török Edwin
     [not found]                 ` <916556265.243293.1291069665032.JavaMail.root@zmbs1.inria.fr>
2010-12-02 12:57                   ` Damien Doligez
2010-12-02 15:07                     ` Török Edwin
2010-12-03 21:42                       ` [Caml-list] optimizing caml_modify [was OCaml GC [was Is OCaml fast?]] ygrek
2010-11-23  2:03     ` Is OCaml fast? Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 10:37       ` [Caml-list] " Christophe TROESTLER
2010-11-23 15:50         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 18:06           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 21:34             ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 16:08         ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-23 18:03           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:14             ` [Caml-list] " Török Edwin
2010-11-23 20:17               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 21:14             ` [Caml-list] " Christophe TROESTLER
2010-11-23 21:55               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 22:25             ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2010-11-24  0:11               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 17:53         ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 19:24           ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-23 20:28             ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 20:55               ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-23 21:32                 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 22:28             ` [Caml-list] " Goswin von Brederlow
2010-11-23 23:21           ` evil sloot
2010-11-24  6:54             ` [Caml-list] " David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 17:02   ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2010-11-22 17:08     ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 17:23       ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-22 17:54         ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-22 23:55         ` Jeff Schultz
2010-11-22 23:28       ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-23  2:01       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23 23:27         ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-24  0:23           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  1:36             ` [Caml-list] " Eray Ozkural
2010-11-24  2:13               ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  4:39                 ` [Caml-list] " Jeff Meister
2010-11-24  6:22                   ` Andrew
2010-11-24  7:16                     ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24  6:50                   ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 10:24                     ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Troestler
2010-11-24 11:33                       ` Eray Ozkural
2010-11-24 17:32                       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 17:57                         ` [Caml-list] " Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-24 19:07                         ` Ed Keith
2010-11-24 19:13                           ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 19:17                             ` [Caml-list] " David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-24 22:25                               ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-25 16:59                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-25 18:21                     ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-25 22:11                     ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
     [not found]                     ` <1534555381.33107.1290723160355.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-25 22:50                       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-26 20:25                         ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-27 18:55                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-11-28 18:14                         ` [Caml-list] " oliver
2010-11-29 14:19                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-29 16:12                             ` Threading and SharedMem (Re: [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast?) Oliver Bandel
2010-11-29 16:24                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2010-11-29 16:33                                 ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-27 15:58                     ` Christophe Raffalli [this message]
2010-11-28 18:17                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Is OCaml fast? oliver
2010-11-29  7:33                         ` Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-29 11:25                           ` Jon Harrop
2010-11-29 11:44                             ` oliver
2010-11-29 17:29                               ` Christophe Raffalli
2010-11-24  6:55               ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2010-11-24  7:23                 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-23  2:06   ` Isaac Gouy
     [not found] ` <1110536178.728445.1290434684177.JavaMail.root@zmbs4.inria.fr>
2010-11-22 16:39   ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-11-22 17:21     ` Philippe Strauss
2010-11-22 18:33 ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-23  1:58 ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 10:29 ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2010-11-24 18:39   ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 20:59     ` [Caml-list] " David Allsopp
2010-11-25  0:16       ` Isaac Gouy
2010-11-24 14:07 ` [Caml-list] " Cedric Cellier
2010-11-24 14:34 ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-11-24 15:30   ` Thanassis Tsiodras
2010-11-24 16:26     ` Oliver Bandel
2010-11-24 16:27     ` Vincent Aravantinos
2010-11-24 18:16 ` Isaac Gouy

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