From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pB6G1FmJ009145 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:01:19 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtoCAPM63k7ZRrfEmWdsb2JhbABDhQWUGodUiWkiAQEBAQEICwsHFCWBOh4NAQwBAQUjFUARCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRMIAQEFCweFLQEBgj+jPpIOgTKGaIICgRYEiCiMPoVKhR4BgU6FbA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,306,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="134193819" Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2011 17:01:19 +0100 X-Originating-IP: 217.70.178.144 Received: from mfilter16-d.gandi.net (mfilter16-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.144]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DB2172093 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:01:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter16-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter16-d.gandi.net (mfilter16-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wEc+y19OORLK for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:01:17 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 41.190.237.66 Received: from [192.168.0.111] (unknown [41.190.237.66]) (Authenticated sender: out@rktmb.org) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 037031720B1 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:01:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4EDE3C4B.2050105@rktmb.org> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:01:15 +0300 From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111124 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <4EDE33A0.6070004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EDE33A0.6070004@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by walapai.inria.fr id pB6G1FmJ009145 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Some comments on recent discussions On 12/06/2011 06:24 PM, Jonathan Protzenko wrote: > Dear OCaml hackers, > > I'm very uneasy about the current opinions that are voiced on the > caml-list. I have good reasons to think I'm not the only one in that > situation, so please allow me to raise a few concerns about some recent > discussions. I join you. > = Improving the community = > I think the main point of the discussion is to improve "the community". > If we really want to improve OCaml as a whole, then I think we can put > our efforts on better areas than patching the compiler. 1°) According to me, enlarging the user base is the root solution to this. We need more tiny-to-small projects (they woul more look like code snippets) in Ocaml. 2°) There is a need for "common type" web apps in Ocaml: - a CMS (as Drupal, Joomla,...) - a Redmine-like - a blog hosting, just like Wordpress - .. 3°) There need to be an Ocaml application that has a link with a need in web development: - an Ocaml thing better than Sonar http://www.sonarsource.org/ - http://goo.gl/Oq6ew > == Package management system == > The thing that's most needed is, imho, a package manager that works. That works and ease packaging for OS package manager: it should be easy to build RPMs, .deb, so that it's easy to upgrade for system administrators in production environments and easy to get _exposed_ in the system package management tool. > = Conclusion = > This is indeed a long rant, but I'd like to see us being more practical > and down-to-earth. I love OCaml. I think we can do better for the language. I'm on the way of creating a computer science institute of my view and the goal is to teach Ocaml, and produce OCaml code. We'll see how it works :-). -- RMA.