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From: Charles Martin <charles@chasm.org>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:25:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606105508.03bcd550@chasm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010606095041.A93623@caddr.com>


>I feel that these other languages were much easier to learn.

There is a well established pedagogy for Lisp, Scheme, and ML which does not exist for OCaml.  The resources that are available are a bit more difficult for the novice to find and to use; for example, the tutorial for Caml (not OCaml), which the novice might pass by thinking it's not relevant, or books that are in French (only) or only available on order from Amazon for over $100.

I think a slight reorganization of the manual could help.  Right now, new users first see a tidy introduction to the "core language," and are then immediately thrown into a discussion of labels, "commuting labels mode", and polymorphic variants.  The novice wonders: Is this important?  Can I ignore it?  Who knows?  Let's skip ahead: the next section of the manual covers objects, parameterized classes, coercions, etc.  More confusion.

Once up to speed on OCaml and a regular reader of caml-list, the novice will realize that objects, labels, and polymorphic variants are not in wide use.  Indeed, they weren't included in the "core language" discussion.  But modules appear to be more central to how OCaml is actually used.

Perhaps the manual could be restructured to make this clear:

        PART I - Introduction to OCaml

                The core language
                The module system

        PART II - Advanced Topics

                Objects in Caml
                Advanced examples with classes and modules
                Labels and variants


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-06 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-06 16:50 Miles Egan
2001-06-06 17:30 ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-06 18:25 ` Charles Martin [this message]
2001-06-06 19:27   ` Michael Hicks
2001-06-06 21:15   ` David Fox
2001-06-07 12:25   ` FabienFleutot
2001-06-08  0:27   ` Miles Egan
2001-06-06 19:36 ` William Chesters
2001-06-06 19:55   ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-06 20:06     ` William Chesters
2001-06-07 16:30       ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08  0:32   ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08  0:56     ` David Fox
2001-06-07  7:35 ` wester
2001-06-07 17:27   ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-07  8:58 leary
2001-06-07 18:29 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08  9:41   ` leary
2001-06-08 12:27     ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 20:22       ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 20:31         ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08 22:17           ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 22:18             ` Miles Egan
2001-06-11 14:05             ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-09 19:41           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:59         ` David Fox
2001-06-09  0:43         ` leary
2001-06-09  1:09           ` Mark Wotton
2001-06-09  8:36           ` Markus Mottl
2001-06-09 20:58           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:46       ` leary
2001-06-09  1:18         ` David Fox
2001-06-12 14:17           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-13 15:21             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-13 20:32               ` leary
2001-06-13 22:58                 ` Johann Höchtl
2001-06-13 21:18               ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-09 22:32         ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-11  0:20           ` leary
2001-06-11 20:33 Arturo Borquez
2001-06-11 21:17 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-12  7:19   ` wester
2001-06-13 21:04 David Gurr
2001-06-13 23:13 ` leary
2001-06-13 23:19 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-15 13:28   ` Tore Lund
2001-06-15 14:03     ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 14:54       ` Xavier Leroy
2001-06-15 15:14         ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-15 15:23         ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 17:38         ` Sven LUTHER
2001-06-15 20:36           ` Remi VANICAT
2001-06-15 14:16     ` Doug Bagley
2001-06-28 12:54   ` Didier Remy
2001-06-28 18:31     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-14 16:04 John R Harrison

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