From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E39D17EE51 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:02:35 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org) identity=pra; client-ip=66.111.4.25; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org"; x-sender="martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=66.111.4.25; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org"; x-sender="martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@out1-smtp.messagingengine.com) identity=helo; client-ip=66.111.4.25; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="martin.jambon@ens-lyon.org"; x-sender="postmaster@out1-smtp.messagingengine.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4CAJltXFFCbwQZk2dsb2JhbABDDoZTvSSBDRYOAQEBAQcLCwkUBCSCHwEBBSMVCCgQAQEPCw4KAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGDQEFAgEBiBCtNHGDUI5lBoEjjXYHgi2BE4h9k3KNVl8 X-IPAS-Result: Ai4CAJltXFFCbwQZk2dsb2JhbABDDoZTvSSBDRYOAQEBAQcLCwkUBCSCHwEBBSMVCCgQAQEPCw4KAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGDQEFAgEBiBCtNHGDUI5lBoEjjXYHgi2BE4h9k3KNVl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,402,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="9673620" Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Apr 2013 20:02:34 +0200 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA1320A21; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:02:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=WSf0jmxHu/ft2H9nCEnK1Y wDBKc=; b=cJ/VN2qF+c7ZceaveTd181hcLLTZw/Wao/3470z+2iVPYe5E2vKb9R 89Y1G7aKp3onVjBEUWXxHte+f606V1GEqRB0SwRvQWgUaHkqitvsh2ZobUDknnRs Zv47+IGKmr2h4KQ0iJr491J13dPhSGQ+/e5R/7E8cbevLIImOg0Ss= X-Sasl-enc: HZlJrKCfMAJTgjlO1/ROBkOupxt+DyKsmQKhnwaTTDq9 1365012153 Received: from [192.168.1.123] (unknown [50.76.32.210]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C11C1200176; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <515C6EB7.7010109@ens-lyon.org> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:02:31 -0700 From: Martin Jambon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amir Chaudhry CC: Malcolm Matalka , Anil Madhavapeddy , caml-list@inria.fr, Gerd Stolpmann References: <1365008078.10138.3@samsung> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OUD2013 part of CUFP? On Wed 03 Apr 2013 10:32:08 AM PDT, Amir Chaudhry wrote: > > On 3 Apr 2013, at 17:54, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: > >> Am 03.04.2013 18:39:17 schrieb(en) Malcolm Matalka: >>> OUD was part of CUFP last year, which is the Commercial part of ICFP. I >>> did not attend ICFP but just CUFP, and didn't find OUD or CUFP too >>> academic. Did you? >> >> Can't tell about last year, but I visited both CUFP and OUD twice (independently), and it was ok (well, I gave talks on OUD). But this is not my point - I'm more worried about the audience the event attracts, and also about the character in total. I mean it's a difference whether you have an event of its own (even if small) or if it is part of a larger conference, where you certainly also have visitors just seeking entertainment for a bridge day. > > The audience that attends depends on how the event is marketed. That includes people on this list spreading the word to other commercial users of FP, irrespective of where the event is held. Apart from a comment about academic ritual, you haven't clarified what the problem really is. In my view, if the events are described properly and word is spread widely, then anyone who shows up *is* the intended audience. I personally don't know anyone (academic or otherwise) who'd spend a bridge day by going to events they're not interested in (as opposed to, say, doing some tourist stuff). "Spreading the word widely" doesn't happen like that - it's the core of the problem. In thought the goal was to raise awareness among professional software developers who might consider trying some more "functional" approaches to programming. Pardon my cynicism, but this is different from a meeting whose goal is to show academics that their pet language was used by that one person in that big company and then pat each other on the back. Martin