From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD6417EE66 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:43:21 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=pra; client-ip=195.4.92.91; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=195.4.92.91; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mout1.freenet.de) identity=helo; client-ip=195.4.92.91; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="postmaster@mout1.freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0AAOINo1HDBFxblGdsb2JhbABagmeEDL5JgQUWDgEBAQEHDQkJFAMlgiMBAQQBI0oLBgsLGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAQ82EwYCAQEQh2YBAwkHA6tgh04JQQ1nAYgCgSaLIIJeFoIrgRMDlVWIBIV/iDQ X-IPAS-Result: Au0AAOINo1HDBFxblGdsb2JhbABagmeEDL5JgQUWDgEBAQEHDQkJFAMlgiMBAQQBI0oLBgsLGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAQ82EwYCAQEQh2YBAwkHA6tgh04JQQ1nAYgCgSaLIIJeFoIrgRMDlVWIBIV/iDQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,749,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="15771738" Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 27 May 2013 09:43:21 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Ugs5P-0007oR-SD for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:43:19 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:40009 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Ugs5P-0003en-MG for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:43:19 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.19] (port=59027 helo=9.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Ugs31-0007Nq-2I for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:40:51 +0200 Received: from cl-252.ham-02.de.sixxs.net ([2001:6f8:1c00:fb::2]:44001 helo=suse123-intel.home.loc) by 9.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Ugs30-0003Sx-Ns for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:40:50 +0200 Message-ID: <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:40:49 +0200 From: "Mr. Herr" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Am 26.05.2013 23:49, schrieb Oliver Bandel: > Zitat von "Malcolm Matalka" (Sun, 26 May 2013 20:38:12 +0200) > >> I think ocaml had bigger problems to solve than this if it wants a larger >> user base. > [...] > > Which "bigger problems" do you think of? Hi, dear list, I think the biggest problem is you generally can only learn FP and/or Ocaml at university, because: The FP terminology is at first (and a long time after starting learning it), without a teacher, not understandable. The literature about it - the few praised books are too theoretical, they don't give you an easy start. This leads to the result you can not read the manual, because all important terms are unknown. Then there are virtually _no examples_ of the application of the described functions. Then the community looks very small to me, and isn't it a bit closed? > And how to solve them? Why not go out to Usenet? You would need more tolerance to (even pointless) discussions than toolslive@yh has shown. I think we need code examples to _every_ function and variable/value. My 3 cents. /Str.