From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B6E57EE51 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:40:54 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=pra; client-ip=195.4.92.91; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=195.4.92.91; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mout1.freenet.de) identity=helo; client-ip=195.4.92.91; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="postmaster@mout1.freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au4AAExTo1HDBFxblGdsb2JhbABagmeEDLtbgm6BBRYOAQEBAQcNCQkUAyWCIwEBBSNKCxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFEwgBAYd2ARMDrDWHcgmBNQGIAoEmjCqBVBaCK4ETA51ZjjM X-IPAS-Result: Au4AAExTo1HDBFxblGdsb2JhbABagmeEDLtbgm6BBRYOAQEBAQcNCQkUAyWCIwEBBSNKCxELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFEwgBAYd2ARMDrDWHcgmBNQGIAoEmjCqBVBaCK4ETA51ZjjM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,751,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="15814504" Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 27 May 2013 14:40:53 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UgwjN-0007Oa-08 for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:40:53 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:43651 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UgwjM-0001fi-My for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:40:52 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (port=45075 helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Ugwgx-0004Qc-TX for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:38:23 +0200 Received: from g224155022.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.224.155.22]:54803 helo=suse123-acer.home.loc) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Ugwgx-0006Pc-Lc for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 14:38:22 +0200 From: "Mr. Herr" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> In-Reply-To: <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) Am 27.05.2013 10:53, schrieb Erik de Castro Lopo: > Mr. Herr wrote: >> I think the biggest problem is you generally can only learn FP and/or Ocaml at >> university, because: >> >> The FP terminology is at first (and a long time after starting learning it), without >> a teacher, not understandable. > Sorry, that's simply not true. > > I studied my last univeristy course in 1992. I picked up Ocaml in 2004 > and Haskell in 2008. Before Ocaml, the only functional language I had > used was scheme in the late 1980s. > Scheme is terribly functional, so to say, and is absolutely immerged in the Lispy slang. All your knowlegde in C, Java, PHP, Assembler, Tcl/Tk, Pascal ... will not help you there. I started as an IBM /370 Systems Admin in the late nineties, and it took me months of reading in 2012 to get some understanding about what the heck the scheme people are talking about. Scheme is even a better example for the problems non university learners encounter, than Ocaml, IMO. Your point of view is rather supporting mine. /Str.