From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F36C87EE51 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:37:53 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=pra; client-ip=195.4.92.92; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of misterherr@freenet.de) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=195.4.92.92; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mout2.freenet.de) identity=helo; client-ip=195.4.92.92; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="misterherr@freenet.de"; x-sender="postmaster@mout2.freenet.de"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnUBABvDo1HDBFxclGdsb2JhbABagmeEDIVeuG6BBxYOAQEBAQcNCQkUAyWCIwEBBSNVEQsEFAkWCAMCAgkDAgECATQREwYCAQEQh2YBAxADq1uHfAlBDGgBiAKPJBaCK4ETA51ZjjM X-IPAS-Result: AnUBABvDo1HDBFxclGdsb2JhbABagmeEDIVeuG6BBxYOAQEBAQcNCQkUAyWCIwEBBSNVEQsEFAkWCAMCAgkDAgECATQREwYCAQEQh2YBAxADq1uHfAlBDGgBiAKPJBaCK4ETA51ZjjM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,752,1363129200"; d="scan'208,217";a="19191020" Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([195.4.92.92]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 27 May 2013 22:37:53 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.141] (helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Uh4Ay-0006I5-6b for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:37:52 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:38668 helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Uh4Ay-0003tr-2K for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:37:52 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.28] (port=49707 helo=18.mx.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Uh48o-0008KL-PZ for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:35:38 +0200 Received: from e177061078.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.177.61.78]:50037 helo=suse123-acer.home.loc) by 18.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID misterherr@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1Uh48o-0003Ga-FM for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 27 May 2013 22:35:38 +0200 Message-ID: <51A3C399.1070701@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:35:37 +0200 From: "Mr. Herr" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090504010209050909030507" Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090504010209050909030507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 27.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Paolo Donadeo: > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Mr. Herr > wrote: > > Scheme is even a better example for the problems non university learners encounter, > than Ocaml, IMO. > Your point of view is rather supporting mine. > > > So, the problem with OCaml is the attitude of OCamlers in using precise and > contextual terminology? > > Let's adopt PHP jargon! YEAH! ;-) The fact that this is ridiculous does not show that I am wrong. > > OCaml has been the first functional language I learned. Alone, without a teacher, > and the new (to me), precise, lexicon of this community (in contrast with the > OO/Java vocabulary I was used to) is exactly one of the best values of the language. > In your style I would say so let's close all computer science departments and fire all IT trainers. But I think the case of people complaining on stackoverflow about "trying to wrap my head around FP for months, with little result..." is more common. /Str. --------------090504010209050909030507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 27.05.2013 14:56, schrieb Paolo Donadeo:
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Mr. Herr <misterherr@freenet.de> wrote:
Scheme is even a better example for the problems non university learners encounter,
than Ocaml, IMO.
Your point of view is rather supporting mine.

So, the problem with OCaml is the attitude of OCamlers in using precise and contextual terminology?

Let's adopt PHP jargon! YEAH! ;-)

The fact that this is ridiculous does not show that I am wrong.

OCaml has been the first functional language I learned. Alone, without a teacher, and the new (to me), precise, lexicon of this community (in contrast with the OO/Java vocabulary I was used to) is exactly one of the best values of the language.

In your style I would say so let's close all computer science departments and fire all IT trainers.

But I think the case of people complaining on stackoverflow about "trying to wrap my head around FP for months, with little result..." is more common.

/Str.
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