From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A65B57EE51 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 03:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: None (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of berenger@riken.jp) identity=pra; client-ip=134.160.33.176; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="berenger@riken.jp"; x-sender="berenger@riken.jp"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of berenger@riken.jp designates 134.160.33.176 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=134.160.33.176; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="berenger@riken.jp"; x-sender="berenger@riken.jp"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: Pass (mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr: domain of postmaster@postman.riken.jp designates 134.160.33.176 as permitted sender) identity=helo; client-ip=134.160.33.176; receiver=mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="berenger@riken.jp"; x-sender="postmaster@postman.riken.jp"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUAAAYFpFGGoCGwfGdsb2JhbABagziDO75MgR8OAQELFgU+giMBAQQBIxU1CwYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRMIAQGIAwYMqzWQaYEmjCqBVBaCK4ETA4kdjh6BKYR1jkA X-IPAS-Result: AsUAAAYFpFGGoCGwfGdsb2JhbABagziDO75MgR8OAQELFgU+giMBAQQBIxU1CwYLCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRMIAQGIAwYMqzWQaYEmjCqBVBaCK4ETA4kdjh6BKYR1jkA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,754,1363129200"; d="scan'208";a="15874706" Received: from postman4.riken.jp (HELO postman.riken.jp) ([134.160.33.176]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 28 May 2013 03:17:08 +0200 Received: from postman.riken.jp (postman4.riken.jp [127.0.0.1]) by postman.riken.jp (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A410828101 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:17:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from [172.27.98.103] (rikad98.riken.jp [134.160.214.98]) by postman.riken.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DF3637F8040 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:17:04 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <51A40590.4090501@riken.jp> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:17:04 +0900 From: Francois Berenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr References: <20130523235355.GI6510@siouxsie> <20130526150008.GA2014@siouxsie> <20130526234911.41866xca7wgoirfb@webmail.in-berlin.de> <51A30E01.5070300@freenet.de> <20130527185345.e01a7733ac652f89f4e400f7@mega-nerd.com> <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <51A353BE.5030009@freenet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.0.0.2142326, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2013.5.28.10625 Subject: Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables) On 05/27/2013 09:38 PM, Mr. Herr wrote: > > Am 27.05.2013 10:53, schrieb Erik de Castro Lopo: >> Mr. Herr wrote: >>> I think the biggest problem is you generally can only learn FP and/or Ocaml at >>> university, because: >>> >>> The FP terminology is at first (and a long time after starting learning it), without >>> a teacher, not understandable. >> Sorry, that's simply not true. >> >> I studied my last univeristy course in 1992. I picked up Ocaml in 2004 >> and Haskell in 2008. Before Ocaml, the only functional language I had >> used was scheme in the late 1980s. >> > > Scheme is terribly functional, so to say, and is absolutely immerged in the Lispy slang. > All your knowlegde in C, Java, PHP, Assembler, Tcl/Tk, Pascal ... will not help you > there. > > I started as an IBM /370 Systems Admin in the late nineties, and it took me months of > reading in 2012 > to get some understanding about what the heck the scheme people are talking about. > > Scheme is even a better example for the problems non university learners encounter, > than Ocaml, IMO. A very good book on scheme (which is also quite a deep introduction to computer science if you read the whole thing in fact): "structure and interpretation of computer programs" http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html > Your point of view is rather supporting mine. > > /Str. >