Re: Problems to get larger user base ... (Re: [Caml-list] OCaml's variables)

["Mr. Herr" <misterherr@freenet.de>]

Am 28.05.2013 20:50, schrieb Anil Madhavapeddy:
> On 28 May 2013, at 19:32, "Mr. Herr" <misterherr@freenet.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 28.05.2013 03:15, schrieb Francois Berenger:
>>> On 05/28/2013 06:10 AM, Mr. Herr wrote:
>>>> Am 27.05.2013 22:36, schrieb Török Edwin:
>>>>> On 05/27/2013 11:21 PM, Mr. Herr wrote:
>>>>>> Am 27.05.2013 10:37, schrieb Fabrice Le Fessant:
>>>>>>> Note that it does not need to be done by the OCaml developers themselves,
>>>>>>> anybody can create a project on Github/Gitorious/etc. and start writing some
>>>>>>> documentation on  a module that he likes and have it published somewhere...
>>>>>> hint, hint! Yes, sure. I was looking for tools that would insert the example
>>>>>> code into the document, run it, and insert the result as well, some sort of
>>>>>> advanced literate programming.
>>>>> If you are writing some documentation in HTML then Stog's ocaml sessions might
>>>>> be useful:
>>>>> http://zoggy.github.io/stog/posts/ocaml-sessions.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Okay, let's see, it is not in GODI, have to check it.
>>> stog is in OPAM at least, if that help:
>>>
>>>
>> hmm, I tried OPAM, but it installed without choice in my home directory. This is
>> normally a MS win habit. Linux is a server, there must be a server wide install somehow.
>>
>> I posed one question about it, got no answer, and concluded it is a toy system.
>>
>> Am I too harsh? I think it should (and could) be easier for starters.
> Let's step back and decompose your email:
>
> "easier for starters": OPAM doesn't require root, and installs in $HOME/.opam.  All state is in here, so it's easy to reset.  It's hard to get easier than this out-of-the-box.
>
> Yet you object earlier that ease of use is not a goal by somehow thinking that "Linux is a server".  Note that OPAM is a *source* package manager intended for day-to-day development, and does not replace the excellent binary Debs and RPMs maintained by OS packagers.  OPAM fits the needs of a developer who needs to pin and recompile libraries and packages frequently.
>
> If you 'man opam' and read the resulting page, notice that there is a "-r ROOT" option to override the default `~/.opam` directory, or an equivalent OPAMROOT environment variable.  Both of these are sufficient to enable a system-wide install, assuming appropriate UNIX permissions.
>
> Linux server administration does require you to read manual pages and hunt around a little for most things, and perhaps write a few shell scripts to glue stuff together. Should I conclude that you're a toy developer from your inability to read the man page?
>
I have always rather been a sysadmin / systems manager. And there are no Debs and no
current RPMs for my opensuse.

As I said, I did not find "-r ROOT", and asked about it. And is "-r ROOT" a good
choice (only for root? root dir?), or could it read system wide install or so, and
where is the dialog to choose the installation style?

Did you forget the use of Ocaml as scripting language?

Sorry for the word "toy", I knew it is a bit strong, but fits my experience. The
subject I am talking about is usability.

/Str.