From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_NEUTRAL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54772BC37 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:26:21 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmICANuHoErRVdzdi2dsb2JhbACCKhQYjy2IfT8BAQEKCwoHEQWrJYEnkDMBAwIEhBcF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,331,1249250400"; d="scan'208,217";a="35485175" Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.220.221]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 04 Sep 2009 12:26:21 +0200 Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so567987fxm.27 for ; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:26:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=cE1cMbr/5f6MtlgNRY7hqwxTk8YrrmBH+h9BQ59xdE0=; b=RzJPrETvMi5FPC1x+uYfK0sn/tmIAUd9QORlH3huSTjQVjFus3gJR0vu514Uzsxk8V XV4RjRPjv093mp36MDZKXrK+31LFh1LHWgZWs6jAbMSx4B8lI42Vvoimii2uresMHJ6x t1fWWDWEghx1tQGr8kjlo4vZfVek7+H/NEm0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=r90pzYor7Jm4K1BvOHDCm2Bw0Zd8k6h3cVP0pihVywR3U7z3XoAGOU7S3NtcMJ/FlY m06eI79ZjVp8BzPPa4ENPF2QeNdOd1QKtRQ8Te8hzpZBp3SwBJypfJmxEWGKbZnb/e1A G/VasXzzGcDFrXmtxmmP8k+of5R8I6nVnbxWo= Received: by 10.103.84.10 with SMTP id m10mr4674236mul.60.1252059980469; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.11? (tui75-1-81-57-73-233.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.73.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10sm2819555muh.5.2009.09.04.03.26.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Pierre Etchemaite , caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Message-Id: <54DFD280-531A-4209-950A-B919541CA766@gmail.com> From: Vincent Aravantinos To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Glondu?= In-Reply-To: <4AA0DEB4.6020307@glondu.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1022353719 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Why don't you use batteries? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:26:16 +0200 References: <4A9FBF04.1060608@gmail.com> <20090904105505.055ec82e@attale.agematis.loc> <4AA0DEB4.6020307@glondu.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Spam: no; 0.00; beginners:01 beginners:01 faq:01 faq:01 caml-list:01 imag:02 imag:02 supported:02 supported:02 debian:04 debian:04 install:05 install:05 installed:05 installed:05 --Apple-Mail-1-1022353719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 4 sept. 09 =E0 11:32, St=E9phane Glondu a =E9crit : >> I think a broad availability (either installed by default or at least >> *very* easy to install) on all supported platforms should be a >> start. As I understand Batteries is getting there. > > I would say it's software distributions' goal (GODI, Debian, etc.). Installing a software distribution is a "one more step" in the install. If you want to reach the widest audience it should be self contained. A guy who wants to try batteries wants to try batteries i.e. he doesn't want to waste his time in installing batteries. An experienced guy will be ready to take this time but a beginner will very easily get discouraged. And even the experienced guy will be =20 ready to take this time on the condition that he is quite confident that this will =20 bring something to him. =46rom reading this thread it does not seem to be the case yet. Anyway beginners are certainly *the* audience to reach since the =20 earlier you are addicted the harder you are detoxified. Furthermore as shown by this thread, =20 many experienced guys already have their own ways of doing things. My opinion: at the moment, "wrapping" (install, doc, faq, quickstarts, =20= web site, advertisement) should be a priority over new features. -- Vincent Aravantinos PhD Student - LIG - CAPP Team Grenoble, France +33.6.11.23.34.72 vincent.aravantinos@imag.fr http://membres-lig.imag.fr/aravantinos/ --Apple-Mail-1-1022353719 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Le 4 = sept. 09 =E0 11:32, St=E9phane Glondu a =E9crit :

I think a = broad availability (either installed by default or at = least
*very* easy to install) = on all supported platforms should be a
start. As I understand Batteries is getting = there.

I would say it's software distributions' goal = (GODI, Debian, = etc.).

Installing a = software distribution is a "one more step" in the install.
If = you want to reach the widest audience it should be self = contained.
A guy who wants to try batteries wants to try = batteries
i.e. he doesn't want to waste his time in installing = batteries.
An experienced guy will be ready to take this time = but a beginner will
very easily get discouraged. And even the = experienced guy will be ready to take
this time on the condition that he is quite confident that = this will bring something to
him. =46rom reading this thread it does not seem to be the = case yet.
Anyway beginners are = certainly *the* audience to reach since the earlier you are = addicted
the harder you are = detoxified. Furthermore as shown by this thread, many = experienced
guys already have = their own ways of doing things.

My opinion: at the = moment, "wrapping" (install, doc, faq, quickstarts, web = site, 
advertisement) should = be a priority over new features.

=
--
Vincent Aravantinos
PhD = Student - LIG - CAPP Team
Grenoble, = France
+33.6.11.23.34.72

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