>> Vim and Emacs are commandline editors - we got 2016 and IDEs for >> other languages evolved to be GUI-driven out there. > > Actually, IDEs for other languages evolved to be GUIs more than 20 > years ago, having recently had the "pleasure" of reinstalling > Microsoft Visual C++ 4. > So calling Vim and Emacs users dated may not be a route to getting > advice (belligerent maybe...) So i should not call Emacs outdated because that is too much an understatement? English is not my first language - would "archaic" be more appropriate? By the way i did not even called the users outdated - just the IDE. Using outdated stuff is very popular by the youngsters where i live. We call them hipsters - and they call it vintage. Nothing wrong with that. I am not against using old Vectrex consoles and Emacs - i just do not use it myself. And i really try to ensure, that everyone who did not get the message the first time will have an increasing chance to get it in each iteration of the use-Emacs-its-great--nope-want-a-GUI-driven-solution cycle. That drastically increases the possibility, that even the one without any reading skill will get it at some point. He will sudeenly realize, that i am obviously not interested in using Emacs and therefore trying to advertise it again and again is just a waste of time. In hindsight i think i should have started with a flamewar against Emacs - that would have gotten the message around much faster. But i don't even hate Emacs - i just don't want to use it and therefore will not use it. And regarding getting advice - i got it from both - Emacs users and non-Emacs users. I am actually pretty satisfied as i also got results my internet search did not uncover. Sublime is really good. And OCamlEditor seems to be worth some more tries too (just have to read more about OCaml package management first). > If you'd like to whip up some funds for a port, I'm sure the > community would be grateful. Of course i would like to do that - i guess most here would. And also as most do, i have to pay my rent and food and then there is nothing left to suppoort all the good things we all would like to support. > You are a priori assuming that all of us Vim and Emacs users have > never seen or used Visual Studio (or Eclipse before). Nope - actually i asummed that you all know it and hate it for some unknown reason (as it is the exact opposite of Emacs). As i really like it, i used it as an Example for the almost perfect IDE i would wish to have for OCaml. Just to be sure that everyone knows what i am searching for. > A better tack might be to name a feature of your favourite GUI IDE > which you perceive as lacking in our terribly dated "command line" > editors (I personally regard gVim as a GUI editor, the clue being in > the 'g'). There's a chance it's on a wish-list; there's a chance > there's a perfectly reasonable other way... The thing about software that is designed to be GUI-based from the start is, that it really looks and feels like GUI-based. It does not look and feel like terminal-based software that someone put into a window and attached a toolbar to. I do not know if that difference is something i really can describe good enough to get the point across - but it is the same reason why Microsoft and Apple are "worth" billions of dollars on the stock market. Its all about usability for the people who like well-designed GUIs. That GUIs really sell well. There also are complete Operating systems - and even hardware in case of Apple - below that GUIs. But they are not the things that sell the product. I really like GUIs for a lot of Tasks - including image editing and coding. I also always got some terminal open too - but not for image editing or coding. >> Too bad they did their own .Net-based functional >> language instead of adopting OCaml... > > Although they did use OCaml as a starting point for that language. They grabbed something from here and there and then soaked it in their disgusting .Net sauce (they instantly got a huge standard library and community that way but i want the real thing). -- Allan Wegan Jabber: allanwegan@ffnord.net OTR-Fingerprint: E4DCAA40 4859428E B3912896 F2498604 8CAA126F Jabber: allanwegan@jabber.ccc.de OTR-Fingerprint: A1AAA1B9 C067F988 4A424D33 98343469 29164587 ICQ: 209459114 OTR-Fingerprint: 71DE5B5E 67D6D758 A93BF1CE 7DA06625 205AC6EC