From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pB9HaSwf023412 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:36:28 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMBAGpG4k7RVdY2kGdsb2JhbABDhQalaggiAQEBAQkJDQcUBCGBcgEBAQECARICDx0BASkOAQQLCQIYAgIYDgICNAEFARwGJw6HZQKZCwqKM2mDMwGNcQeBNIkoM2OiZT2Deg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,327,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="122785869" Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com ([209.85.214.54]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 09 Dec 2011 18:36:22 +0100 Received: by bkbzv15 with SMTP id zv15so5386423bkb.27 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:36:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=0Sdb7U5mOFwuTNfWfq7adsXhzIKBAbZ2gGDt9aXFCFA=; b=Fc2dnrFsi2fIS+2GlJLB0DsriIl8ffC1FA1zSWMpID+fjkDZtB181U6kq6AIHb0j63 mGYGSrnTO84GyT6Lhb/Pinufibeniu9RIS/rf1KG0gCGKcUBSzg4oALPLHGAunnlXC/G z3js0c1UKQG4jNzPKT07admyURL4whUoeaq6c= Received: by 10.204.10.66 with SMTP id o2mr1006284bko.104.1323452182593; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from coruscant.kosmos.all (ip-95-223-170-32.unitymediagroup.de. [95.223.170.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa8sm11465154bkc.14.2011.12.09.09.36.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:36:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Benedikt Meurer In-Reply-To: <4EE23EB6.6000209@dogguy.org> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:36:18 +0100 Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=E9mie_Dimino?= , Jacques Garrigue , caml users , Caml-devel developers , =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Glondu?= Message-Id: <6C40B07A-37D3-4E61-BAFD-2C3731FFA90A@googlemail.com> References: <55531934-37A5-4CC5-AB67-20CE4CCE8269@googlemail.com> <1323427075.32238.91.camel@arrakis> <4EE23EB6.6000209@dogguy.org> To: Mehdi Dogguy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by walapai.inria.fr id pB9HaSwf023412 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) On Dec 9, 2011, at 18:00 , Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > On 12/09/2011 03:24 PM, Benedikt Meurer wrote: >> >> Right. I would like to place focus on discussing this point, as it >> seems to be the root of the evil. It would be so easy to fix, IMHO, >> and you don't need to give up control by the core team. Why not >> accept a model similar to i.e. the NetBSD project, with a lot of >> committers (experts in their own areas) and 2-3 people to keep an >> eye on the overall direction? > > or instead of changing how OCaml is currently handled by INRIA's team, > we could consider some development model similar to Eglibc's one. Eglibc > is not a fork of glibc, but a glibc distribution. Whether you call it a "fork" or a "distribution" doesn't matter. It's basically what I described in my initial proposal for a "community fork" (or a "community distribution"). Simply a place where contributors are welcome, patches are reviewed and processed (in a reasonable time frame), with focus on cooperation and communication. If people fear the word "fork", can we agree on a "community distribution" (in the eglibc sense) instead? > http://lwn.net/Articles/333755/ could be an interesting read (for those > who care). While we don't have a Drepper here in OCaml land (yet?), there are certainly a few common problems, Stephane already mentioned OCaml as an unpleasant upstream. > Regards, > Mehdi Dogguy مهدي الدڤي Benedikt