From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@sympa.inria.fr Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by sympa.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C12A7FA5E for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 03:08:27 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; spf=None smtp.pra=marshall@logical.net; spf=Pass smtp.mailfrom=marshall@logical.net; spf=None smtp.helo=postmaster@smtp684.redcondor.net Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of marshall@logical.net) identity=pra; client-ip=208.80.206.84; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="marshall@logical.net"; x-sender="marshall@logical.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Pass (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: domain of marshall@logical.net designates 208.80.206.84 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=208.80.206.84; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="marshall@logical.net"; x-sender="marshall@logical.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None (mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@smtp684.redcondor.net) identity=helo; client-ip=208.80.206.84; receiver=mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr; envelope-from="marshall@logical.net"; x-sender="postmaster@smtp684.redcondor.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3ABCEMxxXm0iGmFbtyqedyX4Roke/V8LGtZVwlr6E/?= =?us-ascii?q?grcLSJyIuqrYYxaEt8tkgFKBZ4jH8fUM07OQ6PG8HzRYqb+681k6OKRWUBEEjc?= =?us-ascii?q?hE1ycBO+WiTXPBEfjxciYhF95DXlI2t1uyMExSBdqsLwaK+i764jEdAAjwOhRo?= =?us-ascii?q?LerpBIHSk9631+ev8JHPfglEnjSwbLd9IRmssQndqtQdjJd/JKo21hbHuGZDdf?= =?us-ascii?q?5MxWNvK1KTnhL86dm18ZV+7SleuO8v+tBZX6nicKs2UbJXDDI9M2Ao/8LrrgXM?= =?us-ascii?q?TRGO5nQHTGoblAdDDhXf4xH7WpfxtTb6tvZ41SKHM8D6Uaw4VDK/5KptVRTmij?= =?us-ascii?q?oINyQh/W7LhcN+kaJVrxCvqRJwwIDUbp+bOv1lc6PBZNMaQHZNXsZNWyFDBI63?= =?us-ascii?q?cosBD/AGPeZdt4TzoEEBrQGlBQmsHuzvzjtIjWLx0K0/yeshCxrG3Aw6ENIKtH?= =?us-ascii?q?TZt9H1NKAdUeC00KbH1zHDY+lQ2Tjj9IjFaxYsquyPU7Joacfd11UjGgDfgliT?= =?us-ascii?q?tYDpJS2Z2vgMvmSB7OdtWvqjhmw6pw1rrTWixt0ghpTJi44P1FzI6SV0zYAoLt?= =?us-ascii?q?OiUkF7e8SrEJ5IuiGaKYR2RsQiTnlzuCY/1r0GoZ+2cSsFxZg93R7QdeGIfJSP?= =?us-ascii?q?4hLlSemRJi14iGhjeL2hmxa+6UmgyuviWcmoyFtGsDZJn9rWun0OyxDf8NaLRu?= =?us-ascii?q?d880u72juC2Bjf6uReLkA1karbJYQhwrk1lpcLtETMBDX2mF72jKCMckUk/vOl?= =?us-ascii?q?6+DgYrXpp5+TK5V7igXkPqQohMO/Hfw0MhISUGiD5eS8yLrj8FXlT7pQi/02lr?= =?us-ascii?q?DVsJTbJcQAuq60GBRV04Ym6xanFTiqytUYnX8dLFJEYh2LlYbpO0udaMz/WPy2?= =?us-ascii?q?hlDkjSxm3euOarboB5GIKnnYjJ/ge6x84ghS0lxg48pY4sdxA6saIPv3Xgelsd?= =?us-ascii?q?XCFR8wNwicx+HoCd500sUYVH7ZUfzRC7/brVLdvrFnGOKLfoJA4Ds=3D?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BXCgB+ChVZh1TOUNBdHAEBBAEBCgEBF?= =?us-ascii?q?wEBBAEBCgEBhA+EdJtTmCSGJAKFEEIVAQEBAQEBAQEBAQESAQEBCA0JCCgvgjM?= =?us-ascii?q?ggkMDAyNLGwsaAiYCAlcGijYFsC6CJop1AQEIAQEBAQEBIoELhVOCCguBWYEMh?= =?us-ascii?q?D4lgxIvgjEFh2cMiTSMY4JulA2HIoZpkACEQzVuPk8sCkYSAYJRgiKCDYcGgi4?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BXCgB+ChVZh1TOUNBdHAEBBAEBCgEBFwEBBAEBCgEBhA+?= =?us-ascii?q?EdJtTmCSGJAKFEEIVAQEBAQEBAQEBAQESAQEBCA0JCCgvgjMggkMDAyNLGwsaA?= =?us-ascii?q?iYCAlcGijYFsC6CJop1AQEIAQEBAQEBIoELhVOCCguBWYEMhD4lgxIvgjEFh2c?= =?us-ascii?q?MiTSMY4JulA2HIoZpkACEQzVuPk8sCkYSAYJRgiKCDYcGgi4BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.38,327,1491256800"; d="scan'208";a="272762010" Received: from smtp684.redcondor.net ([208.80.206.84]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA256; 12 May 2017 03:08:25 +0200 Received: from outbound1.logical.net ([209.23.116.247]) by smtp684.redcondor.net ({700db0a8-6fb7-4c8b-9b2a-6812225182d8}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPS id 20170512010821695_0684 for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 01:08:21 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from [192.168.2.6] (71-45-15-205.res.bhn.net [71.45.15.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound1.logical.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v4C18DdU024823 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 21:08:15 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Marshall In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 20:08:13 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <74046D53-1B0F-4464-87E0-12D0D017875E@logical.net> References: <59149DC2025C048200390482_0_27273@msllnjpmsgsv06> <7B2C5D230E264432A259D91C0F5D7096@erratique.ch> <7CC1A434-6814-484D-A2F8-8E9B5BC6C260@recoil.org> <87d1bfnob6.fsf@umons.ac.be> To: caml users X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-MAG-OUTBOUND: logical.redcondor.net@209.23.116/24 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Change policy on beginners list? I see IRC and Slack (and Gitter, I think) as playing a different role than = Yahoo or Google groups and mailing lists (and Discourse, I think). Both ca= tegories of interaction=E2=80=94one good for relatively fast interactions, = the other with better support for long time delays=E2=80=94seem valuable, b= ut in different ways. Each category should be supported, even though Yahoo= groups doesn=E2=80=99t seem like the best member of the second category. There are additional comments in the Google group interface to caml-list th= at don=E2=80=99t show up in the caml-list archives (nor in my inbox). I=E2= =80=99m not sure why I can=E2=80=99t see these messages elsewhere. There w= as a suggestion there to use Pan as an interface to the Yahoo group. I don= =E2=80=99t know anything about Pan, but if there=E2=80=99s a better interfa= ce that would be likely to be appealing to new users, then an option would = be to promote use of that interface. It sounds as if Pan uses a Usenet int= erface. Many of us feel fondly that Usenet affected our lives in a very po= sitive way, although in a time that seems distant now. In my ignorance of = Usenet's current state, my first thought is to wonder whether it would be i= deal for appealing new users, but I don=E2=80=99t know the answer. Marshall