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From: j h woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org>
To: The Caml Trade <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: immutable strings (Re: Array 4 MB size limit)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:23:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <77959C0C-D878-412A-A1A3-3C9D382EDB93@conjury.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605242225320.5602@droopy>

On May 24, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Martin Jambon wrote:
>
> So I'd really love to see actual examples where using immutable  
> strings would be such an improvement over mutable strings.
> If the problem is just to ensure that string data won't be changed  
> by the user of a library, then it is trivial using module  
> signatures and String.copy for the conversions.

I have no dog in this fight, but I can imagine a pragmatic approach  
that might satisfy some of these concerns without introducing much in  
the way of extra runtime complexity costs.

Change the way strings are boxed so that there is an additional tag  
for immutable strings as opposed to the normal mutable ones.  In all  
respects, allow string objects with either tag to be treated the same  
by functions that do not modify the content of the string.  When the  
"safe" variants of the string mutation functions are called on a  
string object with the immutable tag, throw a runtime exception.   
Finally, provide a function that changes the tag of a string from  
mutable to immutable, i.e. like a special blessed case of  
Obj.set_tag.  Not from immutable to mutable, though-- that should be  
disallowed.  If the -unsafe is not set, then allow a new compiler  
option -constliteral (or something) that would make all string  
literals immutable.  You'd need to use String.copy to get a mutable  
string with contents copied from an immutable one.

Of course, I can't offer a convincing reason to believe this would  
bring an improvement over what we have today.  My proposal would not  
give the programmer any assurance that contents of string values  
passed as parameters to library functions are not modified by the  
library, i.e. the "unsafe" functions would still work.  It *might*  
give a pragmatic benefit of surfacing unintentional programming  
errors earlier than they might otherwise be found, but I'm not  
prepared to argue in defense of that.

If you did immutable strings this way, it would be nice for the sake  
of consistency to have a comparable feature for arrays.


—
j h woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org>




  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-25  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-15 18:12 Array 4 MB size limit akalin
2006-05-15 18:22 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Cannasse
2006-05-15 20:32 ` Damien Doligez
2006-05-15 21:27   ` akalin
2006-05-15 22:51 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-16  0:48 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-16  9:57   ` Damien Doligez
2006-05-16 15:10     ` Markus Mottl
2006-05-16  8:01 ` Xavier Leroy
2006-05-16  8:20   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2006-05-19 17:13     ` Xavier Leroy
2006-05-19  5:57   ` Frederick Akalin
2006-05-19  6:21     ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 12:15     ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-19 19:36       ` akalin
2006-05-19 20:17         ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 16:28     ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-19 20:08       ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-19 21:26       ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-20  1:06         ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 18:32           ` brogoff
2006-05-20 21:29             ` immutable strings II ([Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit) Oliver Bandel
2006-05-22 22:09               ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-20 21:11           ` immutable strings (Re: [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2006-05-25  4:32             ` immutable strings (Re: " Stefan Monnier
2006-05-25  5:56               ` [Caml-list] " Martin Jambon
2006-05-25  7:23                 ` j h woodyatt [this message]
2006-05-25 10:22                   ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-25 19:28                   ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-25 11:14                 ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-25 19:42                   ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-26  6:51                   ` Alain Frisch
2006-05-25 17:31                 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-25 19:54                   ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-25 11:18               ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-25 17:34                 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-05-25 18:44                   ` Tom
2006-05-25 23:00                     ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-25 23:15                       ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-20  0:57       ` [Caml-list] Array 4 MB size limit Brian Hurt
2006-05-20  1:17         ` Frederick Akalin
2006-05-20  1:52           ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20  9:08             ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 10:12               ` skaller
2006-05-20 11:06                 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 12:02                   ` skaller
2006-05-20 21:42                 ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21  1:24                   ` skaller
2006-05-21 14:10                     ` Oliver Bandel
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.63.0605200847530.10710@localhost.localdomain>
2006-05-20 19:52                 ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 21:45                   ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21  9:26           ` Richard Jones
     [not found]             ` <5CE30707-5DCE-4A22-970E-A49C36F9C901@akalin.cx>
2006-05-22 10:40               ` Richard Jones
2006-05-20 10:51         ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-20 14:22           ` Brian Hurt
2006-05-20 18:41             ` j h woodyatt
2006-05-20 19:37               ` Jon Harrop
2006-05-20 20:47             ` Jozef Kosoru
2006-05-26 18:34             ` Ken Rose
2006-05-20 22:07           ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-20 15:15         ` Don Syme
2006-05-20 22:15           ` Oliver Bandel
2006-05-21  1:25             ` skaller
2006-05-28 23:20 [Caml-list] Re: immutable strings (Re: Array 4 MB size limit) Harrison, John R
2006-05-29  2:36 ` Martin Jambon
2006-05-31 12:53 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2006-05-29 20:52 Harrison, John R

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