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From: Jacques Garrigue <garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>
To: Alain Frisch <alain.frisch@lexifi.com>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@yquem.inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] What is an applicative functor?
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 17:38:44 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7A481AEF-CD44-4134-A755-044DB0F93679@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F8F08069-5BEC-4E15-B359-FE70CF1105A6@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>

On 2011/04/08, at 17:20, Jacques Garrigue wrote:

> On 2011/04/08, at 17:04, Alain Frisch wrote:
>> I'm not sure the benefits of applicative functors are worth the extra complexity they induce, especially if you want to support applicative functors in the same system as well. As far as I understand, applicative functors are useful primarily to give precise types to higher-order functors (which are rare enough).
>> 
>> It would be interested to see how much effort would be needed to adapt large code bases to compile with -no-app-funct (it probably amounts to giving a name to the result of a few functor applications).
> 
> Applicative functors have other advantages, like the fact you can refer to a
> type produced by a functor without having really applied it.
> 
> For instance think of the following functor definition
> 
>   module F(O : Set.OrderedType)(S : sig type t = Set.Make(O).t val union : t -> t -> t end) = ...
> 
> If you want to do the same thing with generative functors, I believe you have to
> pass the result of Set.Make(O) around physically.
> I do think this is a significant weakness.

Another example of that is my conversion-based version of the expression problem.

	http://www.math.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~garrigue/papers/mixmod.ml.txt

With -no-app-funct, most of the code is refused.
Note that -no-app-funct not only refuses paths of the form F(X).t, but also F(X).S (i.e. a functor returning a signature).
Actually, I wonder why it does refuse it syntactically, whereas potentially problematic signatures are very few.

Jacques Garrigue

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-08  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-07 21:12 Dawid Toton
2011-04-07 21:49 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-08  0:44   ` [Caml-list] " Dawid Toton
2011-04-08  1:34     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-04-08  6:50   ` [Caml-list] " Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08  8:04     ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-08  8:20       ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-04-08  8:38         ` Jacques Garrigue [this message]
2011-04-08  8:44         ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-08 10:09           ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-04-08 11:25           ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-08 11:58             ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-11  7:10               ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-11  7:21                 ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-08 13:43           ` rossberg
2011-04-08 16:26             ` Julien Signoles
2011-04-13  2:36             ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-13  7:23               ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-15  3:08                 ` Lucas Dixon
2011-04-19 14:04                   ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08 16:43     ` Till Varoquaux
2011-04-08 17:35       ` Alain Frisch
2011-04-08 18:44       ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08 21:23     ` Lauri Alanko
2011-04-08 21:34       ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-04-09 11:41       ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-04-08  5:35 ` Stefan Holdermans

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