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* Why don't you use batteries?
@ 2009-09-03 13:05 Edgar Friendly
  2009-09-03 13:15 ` [Caml-list] " Rakotomandimby Mihamina
                   ` (15 more replies)
  0 siblings, 16 replies; 68+ messages in thread
From: Edgar Friendly @ 2009-09-03 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: caml-list

It seems like batteries' adoption isn't quite as thorough as expected.
We in the batteries devel team would love to know why you don't use
batteries.  Here's some of our guesses:

1) I *do* use batteries
2) It's not 1.0 yet, I'll try it then
3) It makes my executables too big
4) It's too hard to install (dependencies, godi failures)
5) It's difficult to compile against
6) It doesn't work on my platform
7) It uses camlp4
8) Other (please explain)

Respond in public if appropriate, respond directly to me if you want.
Now's a good time to think about where batteries is going and how it's
getting there.

E


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* Re: [Caml-list] Why don't you use batteries?
@ 2009-09-04 14:25 Dario Teixeira
  2009-09-04 21:21 ` Richard Jones
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 68+ messages in thread
From: Dario Teixeira @ 2009-09-04 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: caml-list, Andrej Bauer

Hi,

> I would use batteries and would recommend it to my students if there
> were any chance they would succeed installing it. In other words,
> batteries is too hard to install. This may not be so on Linux, but
> what about Windows (99% of my students use Windows only)?

This issue of Ocaml + Windows installation woes comes up all too often
on this list, and not just when Batteries are concerned.  It simply
boggles my mind that beginners will put themselves to such ordeals
when modern computing offers a much easier solution: if you really must
be running Windows as your main OS, then use a virtualisation solution
to run Ocaml inside a Linux guest!

Sure, your students may not be familiar with Linux, but you don't have
to be a "1337 Hax0r" to fire up a terminal and run "apt-get install".
Even if your students need a couple of hours of introduction to Linux,
that time will quickly be compensated by the ease of installing Ocaml
packages under Linux.  Moreover, and to be blunt, if your students are
not capable of making a tiny accommodation towards Linux, then trying
to teach them Ocaml seems as consequential as teaching pigs to sing.

In short, the "ease of installation" argument seems like a red herring
as far as beginners are concerned.

Best regards,
Dario Teixeira







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2009-09-03 13:05 Why don't you use batteries? Edgar Friendly
2009-09-03 13:15 ` [Caml-list] " Rakotomandimby Mihamina
2009-09-03 13:25 ` Alan Schmitt
2009-09-05  8:47   ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-09-06 10:03     ` Alan Schmitt
2009-09-06 10:15       ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-09-06 10:29         ` Alan Schmitt
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2009-09-05  8:59   ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-09-03 14:25 ` Vincent Aravantinos
2009-09-03 14:35 ` Dario Teixeira
2009-09-04  0:08   ` Jon Harrop
2009-09-04  6:18     ` Stefano Zacchiroli
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2009-09-04 14:04       ` Richard Jones
2009-09-03 15:00 ` Ashish Agarwal
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2009-09-03 15:50 ` Tom Hutchinson
2009-09-04  8:55   ` Pierre Etchemaite
2009-09-04  9:32     ` Stéphane Glondu
2009-09-04 10:26       ` Vincent Aravantinos
2009-09-04 10:26       ` Andrej Bauer
2009-09-04 14:10         ` Richard Jones
2009-09-04 14:38           ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2009-09-04 18:37             ` Gaius Hammond
2009-09-05  4:53               ` Rakotomandimby Mihamina
2009-09-05  9:44                 ` David Allsopp
2009-09-05 10:22                   ` rixed
2009-09-05 12:03                     ` Jon Harrop
2009-09-05 11:11                       ` Rakotomandimby Mihamina
2009-09-05 12:02                       ` Richard Jones
2009-09-05 21:19                         ` Jon Harrop
2009-09-05 10:23                   ` Gaius Hammond
2009-09-05 11:36                   ` Jon Harrop
2009-09-05 11:52                   ` Richard Jones
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2009-09-06  7:47                     ` Fwd: " dmitry grebeniuk
2009-09-06  7:59                       ` Adrien
2009-09-06  8:47               ` Henry Lenzi
2009-09-06  9:46                 ` Rakotomandimby Mihamina
2009-09-06  9:52                 ` Gaius Hammond
2009-09-06 13:24                   ` Olivier Schwander
2009-09-06 11:34                 ` rixed
2009-09-04 19:53           ` Richard Jones
2009-09-11 16:07           ` Florent Ouchet
2009-09-04 15:05         ` Rakotomandimby Mihamina
2009-09-03 16:13 ` Richard Jones
2009-09-03 16:49 ` Jake Donham
2009-09-03 17:00   ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2009-09-03 18:18 ` Jean-Christophe Filliâtre
2009-09-04  3:24   ` Mike Lin
2009-09-04  3:36     ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2009-09-04  3:44       ` Edgar Friendly
2009-09-04  4:29         ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2009-09-04  8:18   ` Stéphane Glondu
2009-09-04 11:40     ` Jean-Christophe Filliâtre
2009-09-03 19:08 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2009-09-03 23:13 ` [Caml-list] " Philippe Wang
2009-09-03 23:19   ` Hugo Schmitt
2009-09-04  3:34 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2009-09-04  5:52   ` David MENTRE
2009-09-04  6:21   ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2009-09-05 10:01 ` rixed
2009-09-06  9:56 ` Philip
2009-09-30 12:27 ` Rakotomandimby Mihamina
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2009-09-04 10:47 ` Pascal Cuoq
2009-09-04 14:25 Dario Teixeira
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