From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7CEBC6B for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:00:04 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAC/bKUfOvjGwoWdsb2JhbACOaAEBAQECBQQGCQgBF4EP X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,359,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="18845032" Received: from web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.49.176]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with SMTP; 01 Nov 2007 22:00:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 23312 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2007 21:00:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Si67gvsPlTxTdSj/1iEsj+Fd/7Hre+EmHKFsgBjbGNAM0AiKbw3VqjfmnT7R4TynqDwGoWsZKyaE4vUDgNXAbaCZsJ1v6k4t0Q5LgDvuTOcixjiONuOW51tZMFflPjhUzM8aoRQv3OW7Z+grRsiDBb5udrjqZiMmBqmbufFDF4g=; X-YMail-OSG: tJ4N8xAVM1la8bP26OvZvQEKZ8g_tW8pH6eig2hNnoOT2513tAv854LBzz3HU6hBvCeZ.qSf2uEUKzZYA22yTGBBZu1Y18Z1jKm4KIJX6.2gwB_ncvEH1utGHdsbAg-- Received: from [82.155.126.136] by web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:00:01 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:00:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Dario Teixeira Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Google trends To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr In-Reply-To: <200711010102.39348.jon@ffconsultancy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <873613.22673.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 ocaml:01 haskell:01 cheers:01 waters:98 attitude:98 pressures:98 carbon:98 caml-list:01 shootout:02 strong:96 seems:03 languages:03 marketing:93 long:06 Hi, Though I have no trust whatsoever in Microsoft and I very much doubt they have any concern at all for OCaml, I still think think that in the long term, OCaml could benefit from the expected rise of F#. Foremost, because of the increased mind share for the ML family and FP in general. At the moment most developers (even Open Source ones!) still look at you as a Martian if you say you use OCaml or Haskell. Many may have even heard of OCaml before (possibly from seeing this weird name among the top languages of the Computer Language Shootout), but immediately dismissed it due to the "Martian factor". With F# becoming popular and bringing FP and the ML-family into familiar waters, many Open Source developers are bound to take a more serious look at that non-Microsoft Linux-friendly F# cousin... Also, F# seems to be taking the feature-happy approach versus the more conservative route used by OCaml. I can easily see F#'s attitude resulting in a bastardisation of the language, especially if its creators aren't strong enough to resist marketing pressures. On the other hand, if some of these new features prove to be successful in the real world and integrate well with the core language, then OCaml can only benefit from borrowing them. Cheers, Dario ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html