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From: Michael Walter <michael.walter@gmail.com>
To: Jacques Garrigue <garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>
Cc: Thomas.Fischbacher@physik.uni-muenchen.de, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] environment idiom
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:05:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877e9a17041213020570590649@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041213.182117.79057361.garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:21:17 +0900 (JST), Jacques Garrigue
> You make me curious. > By the way, if you want an example of non referentially code,
> this looks easy:
> 
>    do
>      x <- readInt
>      y <- readInt
>      return (x-y)
> 
> (The syntax and functions may be wrong but you get the idea.)
> Of course according to your definition this contains nothing that is
> not referentially transparent once you've taken the syntactic sugar.
>
> But looking at the code, it looks like readInt is executed twice
> returning different results, i.e. this function does not always return
> 0.
Ah no, the key point is that this is not a function but a computation.
In order to be not referentially transparent, you would have to run
it. But you cannot do that -- the key point about the IO monad is that
you can just compose computations involving I/O, but the only time
those computations are actually executed is when "main" is invoked by
the runtime.

> So I suppose this is just an instance of what you see is _not_ what
> you get, but wasn't referencial transparency about avoiding that?
No, besides referential transparency having a definite technical
meaning, you can clearly see what you are getting by simply looking at
the type (IO Int).

Cheers,
Michael


  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-13 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-09  2:07 HENRIKSON, JEFFREY
2004-12-09  4:47 ` [Caml-list] " Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-09  6:02   ` Michael Walter
2004-12-09 11:28     ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-09 20:02     ` pad
2004-12-09 23:11       ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-10  2:30         ` skaller
2004-12-09  9:09 ` Richard Jones
2004-12-09 13:12   ` [Caml-list] " Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-12-10 11:59     ` Richard Jones
2004-12-10 10:52 ` [Caml-list] " Andrej Bauer
2004-12-10 12:13   ` Richard Jones
2004-12-10 23:35     ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-11  2:30   ` skaller
2004-12-11 14:31     ` Andrej Bauer
2004-12-11 18:13       ` Markus Mottl
2004-12-11 23:56         ` skaller
2004-12-12  2:36           ` William Lovas
2004-12-12  5:33             ` skaller
2004-12-12 19:09               ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13  0:48                 ` skaller
2004-12-13  2:03                   ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13  2:05                     ` Michael Walter
     [not found]                       ` <877e9a170412121844b633bb8@mail.gmail.com>
2004-12-13  2:45                         ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13  6:18                           ` skaller
2004-12-13  7:08                             ` skaller
2004-12-13  9:56                             ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 12:59                               ` skaller
2004-12-13  8:56                           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13  9:21                             ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-13 10:05                               ` Michael Walter [this message]
2004-12-13 10:29                                 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 21:16                                   ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 10:20                               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 12:09                                 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-12-13 12:48                                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 14:09                                   ` skaller
2004-12-13 21:39                                     ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 13:22                                 ` skaller
2004-12-13 16:54                                   ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-12-13 18:44                                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 10:11                             ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 11:46                             ` skaller
2004-12-13  5:41                     ` skaller
2004-12-13  9:29                       ` Michael Walter
2004-12-13 12:30                         ` skaller
2004-12-13 13:49                           ` Martin Berger
2004-12-12 23:03           ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13  1:26             ` skaller
2004-12-13  8:37               ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 10:53                 ` skaller
2004-12-13 11:38                   ` Martin Berger
2004-12-13 13:33                     ` skaller
2004-12-13 12:01                   ` Thomas Fischbacher
2004-12-13 13:41                     ` skaller
2004-12-11 23:29       ` skaller
2004-12-12  0:21         ` Jacques Carette

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