From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7845BDC95 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:37:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp10.wanadoo.fr (smtp10.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.21]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j81GYKX6017306 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:34:20 +0200 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1007.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D9BB2800096 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:34:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from oemcomputer (Mix-Lyon-302-3-187.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.230.187]) by mwinf1007.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B9D712800183 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:34:19 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050901163419761.B9D712800183@mwinf1007.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> From: "Damien Guichard" To: "caml-list" Subject: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:32:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01C5AF23.82868FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 43172D8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; damien:01 caml-list:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 damien:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 caml:02 arial:96 arial:96 smalltalk:03 smalltalk:03 translation:07 translation:07 similar:10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C5AF23.82868FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Do you remember the Smalltalk "morale crasher #1" ? http://www.bytesmiths.com/Publications/9701ArchitectsVersusCoders.html A similar story happened to me. When annoucing an OCaml project on a public forum i have been advised to = renunce lambdas because it would impede translation to "a less obscure, = more popular language". - damien my lego web page: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/alphablock/ ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C5AF23.82868FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

Do you remember the Smalltalk "morale = crasher #1"=20 ?

http://www.bytesmiths.com/Publications/9701ArchitectsVersusCoders.= html

A similar story happened to = me.

When annoucing an OCaml project on a = public forum i=20 have been advised to renunce lambdas because it would impede = translation to=20 "a less obscure, more popular language".

- damien

my lego web page: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/alph= ablock/

------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C5AF23.82868FA0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1526BDDB for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:07:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2.syd.swiftdsl.com.au ([218.214.225.98]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with SMTP id j8367LLV005520 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:07:23 +0200 Received: (qmail 21756 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2005 06:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coltrane.mega-nerd.net) (218.214.64.136) by smtp2.syd.swiftdsl.com.au with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 06:07:07 -0000 Received: from coltrane (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coltrane.mega-nerd.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D630C7B91 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:06:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:06:56 +1000 From: Erik de Castro Lopo To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 Message-Id: <20050903160656.3d2c9ca8.ocaml-erikd@mega-nerd.com> In-Reply-To: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> References: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> Organization: Erik Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 43193D99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 damien:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 nospam:98 wrote:01 caml:02 smalltalk:03 erik:04 erik:04 9000:94 translation:07 jump:08 disagrees:09 similar:10 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 Damien Guichard wrote: > Hi all, > > Do you remember the Smalltalk "morale crasher #1" ? > > http://www.bytesmiths.com/Publications/9701ArchitectsVersusCoders.html > > A similar story happened to me. > > When annoucing an OCaml project on a public forum i have been > advised to renunce lambdas because it would impede translation > to "a less obscure, more popular language". Since you are writing the code, you get to choose the language and the features you wish to use. You also get to tell anyone who disagrees to go jump :-). Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo nospam@mega-nerd.com (Yes it's valid) +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "I ran it on my DeathStation 9000 and demons flew out of my nose." --Kaz From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32ACBDCB for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:58:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j87Bwwik015161 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:58:58 +0200 Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21363 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:58:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mz2.forethought.net (mzpi4.forethought.net [216.241.36.13]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j87BwuHD015245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:58:57 +0200 Received: from [216.241.35.41] (helo=[10.0.0.2]) by mz2.forethought.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1ECyZq-0002ui-Mb for caml-list@inria.fr; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:58:54 -0600 Message-ID: <431ED5FD.5050100@havenrock.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:58:53 -0600 From: Matt Gushee User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050108) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 References: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 431ED602.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 431ED600.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 damien:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 higher-order:01 ocaml's:01 conformity:01 ocaml:01 ...:98 ...:98 wrote:01 functions:01 caml:02 variant:02 types:02 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 Damien Guichard wrote: > http://www.bytesmiths.com/Publications/9701ArchitectsVersusCoders.html Unfortunately, I couldn't connect with this site, but I will venture a comment anyway. Since I know nothing about your project, I can only respond in the most general terms. > When annoucing an OCaml project on a public forum i have been advised to > renunce lambdas because it would impede translation to "a less obscure, > more popular language". And I imagine the same people who said that would also advise you not to use higher-order functions and variant types. Just sacrifice some of OCaml's most powerful features for the sake of compatibility ... or perhaps we should say (social) conformity. It might be a useful tactic in some specific cases, but as a general principle, if you're going to do that, why bother with OCaml at all? Let's assume you had good reasons for choosing OCaml (people who use non-mainstream languages usually do). The question then is whether there is any practical need for the members of that forum to accept your methods. If so, then try again to make your case ... I'm sure there are people here who can suggest some "talking points." Otherwise, well, innovation has always met with resistance, and probably always will. Have confidence in your choices and forge ahead. Or give up. It's your choice. Best of luck with your project. -- Matt Gushee Englewood, CO, USA From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAEDBDE6 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j87IA83k021895 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:10:08 +0200 Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26399 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:10:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j87IA76K021891 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:10:07 +0200 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9AC1D1C0018B for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:10:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from oemcomputer (Mix-Lyon-121-4-98.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.12.49.98]) by mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9F5821C00177; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:09:56 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050907180956652.9F5821C00177@mwinf0903.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <005901c5b3d7$1a35c840$62310c50@oemcomputer> From: "Damien Guichard" To: "Matt Gushee" , References: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> <431ED5FD.5050100@havenrock.com> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:06:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 431F2D00.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 431F2CFF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; damien:01 caml-list:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 ocaml:01 milner:01 damien:01 caml-list:01 lambdas:01 higher-order:01 ocaml's:01 conformity:01 beginner's:01 beginners:01 bug:01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 Hi, Thanks for encouragements. Indeed OCaml is all about lambdas, any OCaml function is a named-lambda. OCaml without lambda-calculus is just impossible. Another adjective for OCaml was "esoteric" and another about Milner type system was "over the top feature". I think the only possible answer is to deliver, the functionality overcomes the resistance. The first language that delivers has great chances to become the standard. People that fear OCaml can deliver faster just prove OCaml is better. - damien ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Gushee" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 > Damien Guichard wrote: > > > http://www.bytesmiths.com/Publications/9701ArchitectsVersusCoders.html > > Unfortunately, I couldn't connect with this site, but I will venture a > comment anyway. Since I know nothing about your project, I can only > respond in the most general terms. > > > When annoucing an OCaml project on a public forum i have been advised to > > renunce lambdas because it would impede translation to "a less obscure, > > more popular language". > > And I imagine the same people who said that would also advise you not to > use higher-order functions and variant types. Just sacrifice some of > OCaml's most powerful features for the sake of compatibility ... or > perhaps we should say (social) conformity. It might be a useful tactic > in some specific cases, but as a general principle, if you're going to > do that, why bother with OCaml at all? > > Let's assume you had good reasons for choosing OCaml (people who use > non-mainstream languages usually do). The question then is whether there > is any practical need for the members of that forum to accept your > methods. If so, then try again to make your case ... I'm sure there are > people here who can suggest some "talking points." Otherwise, well, > innovation has always met with resistance, and probably always will. > Have confidence in your choices and forge ahead. Or give up. It's your > choice. > > Best of luck with your project. > > -- > Matt Gushee > Englewood, CO, USA > > _______________________________________________ > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: > http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC3FBDCB for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j87IDrfs027117 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:13:53 +0200 Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26063 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:13:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from smtp9.wanadoo.fr (smtp9.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.22]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j87IDqIJ027113 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:13:52 +0200 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 53ECA240019D for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:13:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from oemcomputer (Mix-Lyon-121-4-98.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.12.49.98]) by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2B3C92400152; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:08:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050907180844177.2B3C92400152@mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <005801c5b3d6$eeff2900$62310c50@oemcomputer> From: "Damien Guichard" To: "Matt Gushee" , References: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> <431ED5FD.5050100@havenrock.com> Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:06:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 431F2DE1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 431F2DE0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; damien:01 caml-list:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 ocaml:01 milner:01 damien:01 caml-list:01 lambdas:01 higher-order:01 ocaml's:01 conformity:01 beginner's:01 beginners:01 bug:01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 Hi, Thanks for encouragements. Indeed OCaml is all about lambdas, any OCaml function is a named-lambda. OCaml without lambda-calculus is just impossible. Another adjective for OCaml was "esoteric" and another about Milner type system was "over the top feature". I think the only possible answer is to deliver, the functionality overcomes the resistance. The first language that delivers has great chances to become the standard. People that fear OCaml can deliver faster just prove OCaml is better. - damien ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Gushee" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 > Damien Guichard wrote: > > > http://www.bytesmiths.com/Publications/9701ArchitectsVersusCoders.html > > Unfortunately, I couldn't connect with this site, but I will venture a > comment anyway. Since I know nothing about your project, I can only > respond in the most general terms. > > > When annoucing an OCaml project on a public forum i have been advised to > > renunce lambdas because it would impede translation to "a less obscure, > > more popular language". > > And I imagine the same people who said that would also advise you not to > use higher-order functions and variant types. Just sacrifice some of > OCaml's most powerful features for the sake of compatibility ... or > perhaps we should say (social) conformity. It might be a useful tactic > in some specific cases, but as a general principle, if you're going to > do that, why bother with OCaml at all? > > Let's assume you had good reasons for choosing OCaml (people who use > non-mainstream languages usually do). The question then is whether there > is any practical need for the members of that forum to accept your > methods. If so, then try again to make your case ... I'm sure there are > people here who can suggest some "talking points." Otherwise, well, > innovation has always met with resistance, and probably always will. > Have confidence in your choices and forge ahead. Or give up. It's your > choice. > > Best of luck with your project. > > -- > Matt Gushee > Englewood, CO, USA > > _______________________________________________ > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: > http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597691F419 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:47:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.enyo.de (mail.enyo.de [212.9.189.167]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j88Clixl003225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:47:45 +0200 Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by albireo.enyo.de with esmtp id 1EDLod-00035r-Kz; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:47:43 +0200 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDLnv-0004mm-Sp; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:46:59 +0200 From: Florian Weimer To: "Damien Guichard" Cc: "caml-list" Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The Caml morale crasher #1 References: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:46:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> (Damien Guichard's message of "Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:32:29 +0200") Message-ID: <87acinvi9o.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 432032F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; florian:01 caml-list:01 damien:01 ocaml:01 lambdas:01 gcc's:01 downward:98 closures:01 caml:02 languages:03 translation:07 language:15 project:17 would:17 obscure:20 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 * Damien Guichard: > When annoucing an OCaml project on a public forum i have been > advised to renunce lambdas because it would impede translation to "a > less obscure, more popular language". Most languages offer strictly downward closures. Even GCC's C implementation has them. 8-) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF58BDCB for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j89MLp3q005151 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:21:51 +0200 Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28437 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:21:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j89MLn2W005146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:21:50 +0200 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EDrDE-0001rj-14 for caml-list@inria.fr; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:19:12 +0200 Received: from 67.71.33.77 ([67.71.33.77]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:19:12 +0200 Received: from monnier by 67.71.33.77 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:19:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: caml-list@inria.fr From: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: The Caml morale crasher #1 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: <87mzmlga5z.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.lang.caml.inria@gnu.org> References: <007f01c5af12$c10db3e0$bbe6f8c1@oemcomputer> <431ED5FD.5050100@havenrock.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.71.33.77 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 Cancel-Lock: sha1:NUbFDY8E2siXGRKHqzcdfyBP+n8= Sender: news X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 43220AFF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 43220AFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; umontreal:01 lambdas:01 translating:01 lambda:01 caml:02 translation:07 some:12 language:15 language:15 then:17 code:17 would:17 stefan:17 stefan:17 obscure:20 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 >> renunce lambdas because it would impede translation to "a less obscure, >> more popular language". If you worry about translating your code into some other language in the future, then lambda is the least of your worries, Stefan