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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Andreas Rossberg <rossberg@mpi-sws.org>
Cc: OCaml List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Scoped Bound Resource Management just for C++?
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:31:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pqqzmv91.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8DECBDB1-84C6-4609-9C2A-8C9AEDE337A1@mpi-sws.org> (Andreas Rossberg's message of "Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:12:49 +0100")

* Andreas Rossberg:

>> If you have coroutines or threads with communication among them, you
>> can always turn type-enforced region-based handles into open handles
>> with an explicit close operation.
>
> I still don't know what you are talking about. Why should a suitable
> type system not be able to make such an operation ill-typed?

It's a general problem.  Once you've got message passing, you've got
mutable state and the ability to escape regions.  Basically, you do
something like this:

  val resource = openResource params
  fun loop()
    (case receiveMailbox () of
       READ count => (read resource count; sendMailbox ACK; loop ())
       WRITE buffer => (write resource buffer; sendMailbox ACK; loop ())
       CLOSE => ())
  end
  val _ = loop ()
  val _ = close resource

>> Like array bounds checking, integer division or other partial
>> functions. 8-)
>
> Right. But these are examples of collateral damage of useful features,
> while the one under discussion is just the damage, with no new
> expressiveness to justify it. ;)

It's not about expressiveness, it's about making writing correct (that
is, resource-aware) code easier.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-10 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-08 23:57 orbitz
2011-02-09  0:46 ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-02-09  0:48 ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-02-09  6:25 ` dmitry grebeniuk
2011-02-09 12:01 ` rossberg
2011-02-09 15:15   ` orbitz
2011-02-09 16:14     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-02-09 16:52       ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2011-02-09 17:54         ` orbitz
2011-02-09 21:50           ` Jon Harrop
2011-02-10  8:10           ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2011-02-10 10:39     ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-02-10 10:59       ` Guillaume Yziquel
2011-02-09 19:11   ` Florian Weimer
2011-02-09 20:10     ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-02-09 20:45       ` Florian Weimer
2011-02-09 21:12         ` Andreas Rossberg
2011-02-10 21:31           ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2011-02-09 18:03 ` Jon Harrop
2011-02-09 20:47 ` Norman Hardy
2011-02-09 21:00   ` Gabriel Scherer

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