From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pB79awRd016292 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:36:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8BAEky307ZSMDqi2dsb2JhbABDFqo8IgEBAQoLCwcSBSKBcgEBBAE6PxALDgoJJQ8BBA0bIRMUAodxAga1Yos0BJohhTGHPQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,313,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="134296919" Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2011 10:36:52 +0100 Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F361AB3ED56 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:36:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from frosties.localnet ([95.208.118.96]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LhvUI-1R2xVJ2pf8-00nC4v; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:36:51 +0100 Received: from mrvn by frosties.localnet with local (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RYDvn-0007xN-2d; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:36:51 +0100 From: Goswin von Brederlow To: "Gerd Stolpmann" Cc: "Alexandre Pilkiewicz" , "ivan chollet" , "Benedikt Meurer" , caml-list@inria.fr References: <1B0D83BD-1902-4F7C-B3FB-B759122D6AB9@googlemail.com> <7b8a9e9bba71a1be49e46deb008bcb6e.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:36:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7b8a9e9bba71a1be49e46deb008bcb6e.squirrel@gps.dynxs.de> (Gerd Stolpmann's message of "Tue, 6 Dec 2011 16:10:19 +0100") Message-ID: <87ty5coh8s.fsf@frosties.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) XEmacs/21.4.22 (linux, no MULE) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:jDVy5jMrDhBibArVap8bW53SkcT7JzoPVKDSMz1sioD rIOLgboPwd0JfwqnfxB9Mfn5zQMNmXnxoKdDYiVCvUNqDMD6zO SCP3nO4r3q6nR+3fSs1xw3NuWTKm6WB8o8tJRuzj12CU/oovwW HXITBk7M4NytkRxY7yxdkhvKACD2vZI02VCbXHec43LNkviOIO oVsLPZxsluX+yqwasPAOQ== Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork "Gerd Stolpmann" writes: >> Hi all, >> >> I will not jump in the "how to save OCaml from dying because nothing >> moves" discussion. But just in the "nothing moves" discussion. >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, ivan chollet >> wrote: >>> The current status of OCaml is more than stable enough to serve its >>> goals, >>> which are to teach computer science to french undergrads and provide a >>> playground for computer languages researchers. >> >> First, french undergrads sadly often still use camllight... Which is >> not the case for example of Harvard undergrad >> (http://www.seas.harvard.edu/courses/cs51/lectures.html) and some >> UPenn one (http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis341/). But you are right that >> I can't find any well known university out of France using OCaml to >> teach computer science... > > Well, if you ask whether _any_ FP language is taught, the results won't be > much better. > > I'm currently doing consulting for a web company (in Germany) - around 60 > developers, many fresh from the University. There are only three guys > knowing FP languages at all - one Scala, one Erlang, and one R. It's a > complete failure of the academic education. > > IMHO it does not matter which FP language you are taught in. The point is > that the students understand the ideas, and that they recognize them as > relevant. These web developers here in the company have no clue that they > actually developing a big continuation-style FP program. > > Gerd In Tuebingen we started with scheme in the first year and later there were several classes on FP languages and a few using ocaml, for example the compiler construction class. But the later classes are pick&choose, you just need enough credits from each of the 3 major groups, so people can probably completly avoid FP based curses. Personally I think the introduction to computer languages class we had is a must. How else do you even know what is out there and if you like it? MfG Goswin