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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: exception safety / RAII ?
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:48:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zmxc99g5.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.lang.caml.inria@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200503071710.52544.jon@jdh30.plus.com>

>> > I very rarely have problems with this.
>> Very rarely having problems with something can't save it from being
>> a very bad practice.  Not explicitly closing your files is (in 99% of the
>> cases) just sloppy coding.
> If we're talking about programs which are expected to run for an arbitrary 
> amount of time (servers, the top-level etc.) then yes.

This logic is routinely used in C to simply never call `free' because they
only run for a short time.  That's a textbook example of "sloppy coding".

>> Kinda like letting a GC finalizer close  your windows: when the effect is
>> visible from outside the process it shouldn't be done in a finalizer.
> The term "visible" in this context is subjective.

I wouldn't call it "subjective", but it is indeed relative to a set of
assumptions about what is "visible" and what isn't.  My assumptions here are
generally that CPU-time and swap-space use are "invisible".  The CPU-time
part is mostly intrinsic in the fact that I write in a high-level language
on top of a multiuser OS and don't have any direct control over the actual
assembly code generated, nor over the scheduling decisions.  The swap-space
part is a basic assumption of a tracing GC.  They're not ideal assumptions,
but without them life is a lot more difficult.

In contrast "the content of my file when another NFS client tries to read it
20 seconds after I generated it (and got an ocamltop prompt back indicating
it'd been generated)" is something that I do consider as "externally
visible" because it doesn't make life much more difficult: just close the
file when you're done with it.  It's extremely rare that the point in the
code where a file can be closed is not trivial to find.


        Stefan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-09 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-05 18:16 Michael Benfield
2005-03-05 18:44 ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2005-03-07  0:03 ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-07  1:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-07  2:48     ` [Caml-list] " Brian Hurt
2005-03-07 13:30     ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-07 14:37       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-07 17:10         ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2005-03-08 13:07           ` Damien Doligez
2005-03-08 21:56           ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-09 13:34             ` Damien Doligez
2005-03-09 14:48           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2005-03-09 16:19             ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-09 22:45               ` [Caml-list] Re: exception safety / RAII Oliver Bandel
2005-03-09 23:42                 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-03-10 14:33               ` exception safety / RAII ? Stefan Monnier
2005-03-10 16:52                 ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2005-03-11 14:46                   ` Michael Walter
2005-03-12 22:54                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-07 15:21       ` [Caml-list] " Michael Walter
     [not found]         ` <200503071729.20117.jon@jdh30.plus.com>
2005-03-07 18:47           ` Michael Walter
2005-03-08  1:10             ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-08 22:19               ` Oliver Bandel
2005-03-08 22:53               ` Daniel Yokomizo
2005-03-09  1:21                 ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2005-03-09 13:21                 ` Damien Doligez
2005-03-08 11:33             ` [Caml-list] " Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2005-03-08 12:32               ` Richard Jones
2005-03-08 14:17                 ` Michael Walter
2005-03-08 18:28               ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-08 21:34                 ` Damien Doligez
2005-03-09 15:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-09 22:30                   ` [Caml-list] " Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-03-10 14:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-08 21:32       ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2005-03-07  3:31   ` [Caml-list] " Michael Walter

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