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From: "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@knm.org.pl>
To: skaller@users.sourceforge.net
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:45:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zn44v9k1.fsf@qrnik.zagroda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1094403880.3352.751.camel@pelican.wigram> (skaller@users.sourceforge.net's message of "06 Sep 2004 03:04:40 +1000")

skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net> writes:

> together these two functions conspire to determine which
> input files generate which outputs.

So I must either explicitly tell the dependencies, or run a script
which computes them. Same as in make.

Assume that I forget that compilation of a particular file also reads
another included file, i.e. forget one dependency link. Then after
changing the included file, the target will not be rebuilt (I don't
believe that it will, because then all other targets are in the same
situation and everything would be rebuilt, which is impractical).
So *all* dependencies must be specified. Same as in make.

The difference is in that that "changed" is determined by file
contents rather than time stamps, that compilation is repeated until
it stabilizes, and in the language the makefile is written in.

> If you try to include a file that is generated,
> all is well even if it is generated *after* you
> include it.

This implies that a compile error doesn't abort the compilation
(because the error might result from lack of source which will be made
later). So if I made a fatal error in a C header file included in many
C sources, the time to rebuild all of them and detect the error
multiple times will be wasted.

The time to compile good but out of date files is sometimes wasted too.
Imagine 3 modules:
   module A
   module B uses modules A and C
   module C uses module A
where "uses" actually means "reexports at least a part of it, such
that changes in one interface change the other". The modules happen
to be processed in this order. Someone changed module A. Then A is
recompiled; B is recompiled because A changed; C is recompiled because
A changed; B is recompiled *again* because C changed. 'Make' would
know that it makes no sense to compile B before C.

> More generally this will work even with circular
> dependencies, provided of course you design the
> system so it converges.
>
> As a counter-example: latex doesn't always converge.

It's the only counter-example I know.

-- 
   __("<         Marcin Kowalczyk
   \__/       qrczak@knm.org.pl
    ^^     http://qrnik.knm.org.pl/~qrczak/

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-05 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-04 16:26 Jason Hickey
2004-09-04 17:42 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-04 18:27   ` chris.danx
2004-09-04 19:59     ` Matthieu Dubuget
2004-09-05  5:20       ` skaller
2004-09-05 13:20         ` David Brown
2004-09-05 14:31           ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:02             ` David Brown
2004-09-05 16:14               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-05 15:07           ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 15:53             ` skaller
2004-09-06  0:25               ` chris.danx
2004-09-06  8:17                 ` skaller
2004-09-05 13:38         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 14:50           ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 15:01             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 15:44               ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 16:10                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 17:38                   ` skaller
2004-09-05 17:15                 ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:11               ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:21                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 19:09                   ` skaller
2004-09-05 15:08           ` skaller
2004-09-05 15:38             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 17:04               ` skaller
2004-09-05 18:45                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk [this message]
2004-09-05 20:12                   ` skaller
2004-09-05 21:30                     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 22:41                       ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06 12:13                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 16:09             ` David Brown
2004-09-05 18:31               ` skaller
2004-09-06 10:56                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-09-06 15:51                   ` skaller
2004-09-06  7:11           ` Christian Lindig
2004-09-06 12:20             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-06 14:12               ` Christian Lindig
2004-09-06  1:06         ` Richard Jones
2004-09-06  1:50           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06  9:09             ` skaller
2004-09-06  8:59           ` skaller
2004-09-04 23:58     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-05  1:18       ` james woodyatt
2004-09-05  1:26         ` [Caml-list] Perl Conjury (alternative to Unix make) james woodyatt
2004-09-05  2:03         ` [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1 David Brown
2004-09-05  2:37           ` james woodyatt
2004-09-05  6:24             ` Nathaniel Gray
2004-09-05 20:38         ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06  0:12           ` james woodyatt
2004-09-06  0:33             ` [Omake] " Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06  3:54               ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-06  6:39                 ` Jason Hickey
2004-09-06  8:10                   ` james woodyatt
2004-09-06  7:50                 ` [Omake] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2004-09-06 14:52                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-06 17:20                     ` skaller
2004-09-06  9:52                 ` skaller
2004-09-06 15:10                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-07 13:26                 ` David Brown
2004-09-06  1:14             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06  2:35             ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-06  9:38               ` skaller
2004-09-06 11:34                 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-09-06 16:28                   ` skaller
2004-09-06 16:42                     ` Christopher A. Watford
2004-09-06 16:59                       ` Richard Jones
2004-09-07  2:21                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-07  6:17                       ` skaller
2004-09-07  8:24                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-09-07 13:35                     ` David Brown
2004-09-06  7:51             ` Daniel Andor
2004-09-05 20:38   ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-05 22:57     ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-06  0:17       ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 13:31         ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-06 19:28           ` [Caml-list] Godi for OMake [Was: Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1] Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 20:18             ` Olivier Grisel
     [not found]               ` <41537DAE.1050601@cs.caltech.edu>
2004-09-24 13:50                 ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-24 18:37                   ` [Caml-list] OCamlFind support in OMake [Was: Godi for OMake] Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-04 18:01 ` [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1 Yaron Minsky
2004-09-05  1:38   ` Eray Ozkural
2004-09-05  6:12 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-09-05 12:48   ` Yaron Minsky
2004-09-05 20:39     ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 12:24 Jason Smith
2004-09-06 15:54 ` Christopher A. Watford

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