From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2A4BC84 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2UF28et029974 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:02:08 +0200 Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01303 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:02:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2UF269m008654 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:02:07 +0200 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so137140wra for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:02:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EKTQWjslgqCn4gq9dU16WTCDwCswlvjEBXMBMDdDFcogL38a9W/eULAOYs+wxW/sr6uxhRRm8vv34hmk64IQRcvm9Ny6BS6FZRmabjLH/AWWTve6Awrc0AZg+qRu5BEquTEX9VpnU4R3PM4MDYnN8TNaN0V0Z6UIhqUG6fGPfV0= Received: by 10.54.45.12 with SMTP id s12mr661719wrs; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.2.79 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:01:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <891bd33905033007015beec5b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:01:16 -0500 From: Yaron Minsky Reply-To: yminsky@cs.cornell.edu To: Martin Sandin Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Still problems with the main ocaml web page Cc: caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <20050330141949.67864.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050330141949.67864.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 424ABF70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 424ABF6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; yaron:01 minsky:01 yminsky:01 caml-list:01 ocaml:01 yaron:01 ocaml:01 caml-list:01 beginner's:01 beginners:01 bug:01 wrote:01 binaries:01 dev:01 bin:01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: For what it's worth, I just tried the site with ie 6.0.2800.1106, and it works fine as far as I can tell. Yaron On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:19:49 -0800 (PST), Martin Sandin wrote: > Erik de Castro Lopo skrev: > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:43:17 +1000 > > Erik de Castro Lopo > > > > > which means that the server is OK and that the > problem must be in my > > browser. > > Might be, might be. But it's a problem you share with > each of the 3 Internet Explorer copies (ie 3 windows > machines) I've tried to use to access the site. If the > problem is specific to me, please tell me and ignore > what I've written below. > > The site works fine in Opera and Mozilla, and is a lot > nicer than the old, but it doesn't work in IE. The > fact that Windows isn't the no 1 priority of the OCaml > team, or the community, is both obvious (witness the > lack of 3.08.3 binaries for Windows) and > understandable. But I am still surprised that it was > even considered acceptable to release a site which > entierly excludes the 80+% majority browser (figure is > likely to be lower in the dev community, but no way > less than 50%). I always thought OCaml at least wanted > to grow, I sure do want it to, a popular language > brings many desirable advantages, and that a new site > would help in this regard (image is important, after > all). But while the new site looks (and more > importantly, works) better it can only be viewed by > those who already know to look for substance over > flash (gross generalization) and often prefer sparse > sites. The young and impressionable ones will miss it > entierly and the more market oriented ones will not be > interested in something which looks practically dead > (or completly oblivious to marketing, which is much > the same). In what way this situation is to be > considered an improvement in general, and for whom, I > don't know. > > I know you are all overworked and not web design > people. I know promotion and popularity are fairly low > priority items, which is part of the reason you've > been able to bring us this extremly versatile > language. But the now practical lack of a real web > presence for OCaml denies the language, you, and us > all, to even have a shot. I really prefer not to > whine, and this post came out a whole lot more > negative than I wished, but I want to use OCaml a lot > more in the future. Thanks. > > > Martin > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: > http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs >